Shawn Simpson is not an insider, so him getting something wrong isnt shocking
- DDM-Coga

Him getting something right is honestly more shocking.

Trying to stay positive here. From the list of star players who left:

-Yashin - Had already sat out a year. Flipped for one of best returns ever. Out of league what, 3-4 years later

-Chara - Mistake. Redden's fall from
Team Canada dman to absolutely stinking is almost as sudden and unexpected as the last year here. They chose the wrong one to sign
-Heatley - Didn't want to go to Edmonton, career spiraled quickly after traded
-Spezza - A few good seasons after, but stinks now
-Alfie - Big Mistake
-Turris - TBD
-Hoffman - TBD
-Karlsson - TBD

It's not like every player went on to have 5-7 awesome years. If a star player doesn't ride off into sunset with a cup, how many of them are really celebrated and go out greatly?

Again, trying to stay positive.....
- Ottawa Fan

Karlsson is in a whole different class comparatively

None of this would be happening if AlfieisKing would have just deleted his account. It's all his fault.

Watching Melnyk and Dorion operate makes me feel so much better about Aquilini and Benning

Trevor Shackles: It's Becoming Impossible to Have Hope
The Senators can't win with Eugene Melnyk
- Trevor Shackles

Have you not heard spatsos delusional ramblings? So much hope!

Team has to bottom out. It is a process. i know it sounds bizarre but what is happening is what needs to happen. It will get darker. But the light will break through.

Have you not heard spatsos delusional ramblings? So much hope!
- systemtool

This is the best thing to happen to the Sens. Better than the other best thing last week, that was better than the other best thing the week before.

Next week, whatever happens, will be the best thing that has ever happened to the Sens, although that will be short lived. The following week will trump next week as being the best thing that could happen to the Sens.

This is the best thing to happen to the Sens. Better than the other best thing last week, that was better than the other best thing the week before.

Next week, whatever happens, will be the best thing that has ever happened to the Sens, although that will be short lived. The following week will trump next week as being the best thing that could happen to the Sens.
- walshyleafsfan

It is a process. Success will be measured differently.

Acceptance needs be grounded in understanding. Once a majority of fans get on board with the rebuild attitudes will change. THIS does mean anyone has to accept or approve of the melnyk ownership.

Trevor Shackles: It's Becoming Impossible to Have Hope
The Senators can't win with Eugene Melnyk
- Trevor Shackles

Becoming impossible?

I would have thought that ship sailed a long time ago.

It is a process. Success will be measured differently.

Acceptance needs be grounded in understanding. Once a majority of fans get on board with the rebuild attitudes will change. THIS does mean anyone has to accept or approve of the melnyk ownership.
- spatso

Hmm, understanding of a rebuild that is built on the foundation of a traded first round pick does not seem like a very grounded idea.

AGM announcement coming today or tomorrow apparently .

Hmm, understanding of a rebuild that is built on the foundation of a traded first round pick does not seem like a very grounded idea.
- prock

It always gets darker. Hitting bottom requires a full understanding of how bleak the situation has become:

1. the owner is broke
2. the team has traded their best player for a very modest return
3. they have already traded away their top draft pick for next year
4. their best players are about to become UFA's at the end of the season
5. season ticket sales are the lowest in the history of the franchise
6. finally, even the media, has turned against the ownership

Typically, the bottoming either stagnates and the situation will remain stuck in a series of repetitious miscues or their will be a dramatic shift enabling a light to break through.

I think we are still going to hear some additional bad news (I believe Stone and Duchene will be traded). But, I also believe we are on the cusp of the light finally breaking through.

Once the light breaks through (e.g.., sale of franchise to local ownership) everything else will be forgotten in the swells of joy emerging from the entire hockey community. When this happens, the rebuild becomes fun.

It always gets darker. Hitting bottom requires a full understanding of how bleak the situation has become:

1. the owner is broke
2. the team has traded their best player for a very modest return
3. they have already traded away their top draft pick for next year
4. their best players are about to become UFA's at the end of the season
5. season ticket sales are the lowest in the history of the franchise
6. finally, even the media, has turned against the ownership

Typically, the bottoming either stagnates and the situation will remain stuck in a series of repetitious miscues or their will be a dramatic shift enabling a light to break through.

I think we are still going to hear some additional bad news (I believe Stone and Duchene will be traded). But, I also believe we are on the cusp of the light finally breaking through.

Once the light breaks through (e.g.., sale of franchise to local ownership) everything else will be forgotten in the swells of joy emerging from the entire hockey community. When this happens, the rebuild becomes fun.
- spatso

At which point you're basically at the level of an expansion team without the benefit of an expansion draft, and you have a 5 to 10 year journey of building before there is even a possibility of being decent.

At which point you're basically at the level of an expansion team without the benefit of an expansion draft, and you have a 5 to 10 year journey of building before there is even a possibility of being decent.
- prock

Yes, it is very dark. Almost hopeless, except.

I don't see it entirely that way. The Sens already have some great young players in their organization and I suspect they will continue to add prospects and picks this year.

Not having a top pick next draft forces them to shoot for the longer horizon.

I will be content to see Formenton, White, Chlapik and Wolanin start their rookie seasons. I am still not convinced that Tkachuck was a great draft pick but he is getting great early reviews. Chabot will log big minutes.

I think there are another 5 kids who will get some call up time.

It always gets darker. Hitting bottom requires a full understanding of how bleak the situation has become:

1. the owner is broke
2. the team has traded their best player for a very modest return
3. they have already traded away their top draft pick for next year
4. their best players are about to become UFA's at the end of the season
5. season ticket sales are the lowest in the history of the franchise
6. finally, even the media, has turned against the ownership

Typically, the bottoming either stagnates and the situation will remain stuck in a series of repetitious miscues or their will be a dramatic shift enabling a light to break through.

I think we are still going to hear some additional bad news (I believe Stone and Duchene will be traded). But, I also believe we are on the cusp of the light finally breaking through.

Once the light breaks through (e.g.., sale of franchise to local ownership) everything else will be forgotten in the swells of joy emerging from the entire hockey community. When this happens, the rebuild becomes fun.
- spatso

Lol yes the light will break soon.
Sure.
Lol

Lol yes the light will break soon.
Sure.
Lol
- Fakepartofme

http://www.carmelitemonks...ight-StJohnoftheCross.pdf

It is entirely hopeless until the team sells.

Once it's sold, assuming to solid, stable ownership, then the mentality changes.

In the mean time, there is zero reason for optimism. Even if the rebuild works well, as soon as the current prospects hit UFA status, they'll be shipped out too.

Those reported trade offers were either false, on the condition of a signed EK, or nixed by EK. As stupid as Dorion is, highly doubtful he would have turned down any of those offers.

On Hoffman, there's no info out there to suggest that a better offer had been made in the east. It's not impossible but it couldn't have been that much better to warrant trading him in the east.
- SENSible_Fan

In the case of the alleged Vegas deal, John Shannon has said that it was a better return than San Jose but when Dorion went to Melnyk for approval he got involved and tried to include Bobby Ryan which essentially ruined the trade.

It is entirely hopeless until the team sells.

Once it's sold, assuming to solid, stable ownership, then the mentality changes.

In the mean time, there is zero reason for optimism. Even if the rebuild works well, as soon as the current prospects hit UFA status, they'll be shipped out too.
- Charliebox

I think this is entirely correct.

Zero reason for optimism can be justified on the basis that everything else has been screwed up so why would they change their pattern.

On the other hand, a mere change in ownership will open the flood gates of good will of the entire community. Despite some on ice success, the frustration with ownership has deep, overpowering roots.

The meeting with the NCC later this month is about ensuring the financial guarantees for LeBretton development. I don't expect a final announcement around ownership structure. However, you can be certain if they progress beyond the next financial hurdle you will know that big money has stepped into the process.

I believe that the Melnyk led group has won the preliminary bid to redevelop LeBretton. But, let's see who actually leads the consortium once there are documents to be signed and shovels in the ground.

In the case of the alleged Vegas deal, John Shannon has said that it was a better return than San Jose but when Dorion went to Melnyk for approval he got involved and tried to include Bobby Ryan which essentially ruined the trade.
- Jeffmt

And the Avs beat writers said that during the deadline they put in an offer for Karlsson that was better than what they ultimately got from San Jose.

They wouldn't breakout the specifics of it now, but what they offered was more of a true rebuild package for the Sens

Its irrelevant now what the packages were from every teasm involved, but the fact they are trying to spoon feed their fan base this narrative of this was the best time to trade Karlsson for the bet rebuild package....thats just a flat out lie.

Either Dorion and Melynk had no idea what they wanted to do until recently, or they are idiots that read the trade market completely wrong that they put them in the worst possible place to get the solid return they needed for Karlsson and traded him out of pressure with the distraction of him starting the season with the Sens. No matter how you look at it, its just them messing up this situation, which I thought would be impossible for a talent like Karlsson

In the case of the alleged Vegas deal, John Shannon has said that it was a better return than San Jose but when Dorion went to Melnyk for approval he got involved and tried to include Bobby Ryan which essentially ruined the trade.
- Jeffmt

I could believe this. It is like having Donald Trump as the owner of the Sens. He decides everything on the basis of momentary mood. He is a man without money playing in a sand box with guys who have real money. He creates false equivalents and the real wise guys just walk away knowing that Melnyk is a dupe.

And the Avs beat writers said that during the deadline they put in an offer for Karlsson that was better than what they ultimately got from San Jose.

They wouldn't breakout the specifics of it now, but what they offered was more of a true rebuild package for the Sens

Its irrelevant now what the packages were from every teasm involved, but the fact they are trying to spoon feed their fan base this narrative of this was the best time to trade Karlsson for the bet rebuild package....thats just a flat out lie.

Either Dorion and Melynk had no idea what they wanted to do until recently, or they are idiots that read the trade market completely wrong that they put them in the worst possible place to get the solid return they needed for Karlsson and traded him out of pressure with the distraction of him starting the season with the Sens. No matter how you look at it, its just them messing up this situation, which I thought would be impossible for a talent like Karlsson
- DDM-Coga

The Avs were never an option. It would have meant that Melnyk would have had to admit to making a mistake.

The mistake was not the trade for Duchene.

The mistake was the failure to give Turris the $6m contract he wanted. Dorion wanted to do it. Melnyk said no.

First off, The Sens probably did offer Karlsson 11 million per season, but not in the way he wanted to be paid.

As for Stone and Duchene, I think the "glass half full" approach is to say that now the Sens do have the money to pay them what they deserve.

I am not arguing the Melnyk is a great owner, quite the contrary, he has become a detriment to the team and the sooner he sells the happier I and 99% of Sens fans will be!

What gives me a bit of hope are the rookies who will finally have a chance to prove their worth, after years of the Sens coaches choosing to play mediocre veterans because they did not want to trust the new guys. Also, I think that all things considered, the Sens, even without Karlsson, cannot be as terrible as they were last season. With the collapse of their goalies to the locker room drama, everything that could go wrong did.

No the Sens will not win the Stanley Cup, but I do not think Colorado should be eyeing picking first either next year. It will be an interesting season in Ottawa, and for now I am willing to continue to say: Go Sens Go!

The Avs were never an option. It would have meant that Melnyk would have had to admit to making a mistake.

The mistake was not the trade for Duchene.

The mistake was the failure to give Turris the $6m contract he wanted. Dorion wanted to do it. Melnyk said no.
- spatso

Avs were 100% an option, they were talking about Karlsson and their 1st round pick coming back. When people with actual connections and inside infmroation who cover a team for a living report that they have talked trade and an offered was put in. You can pretend all you want and refute it bc it doesn't fit with your melynk keyser soze style moves...theguy doesnt know what hes doing

This is the whole point of what they are trying to spin. They dint decide in February that they had a plan to rebuild, bc there is no logic in their moves from then that would support that claim

It might be what they are going to try to do now after everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.

Peter Mctavish named new AGM