First preseason game on the road, the Flyers always seem to send a kid roster. I won't kill them for losing the game.

Tonight will be the vets from the looks of things and I bet they face Bridgeport.
- dragonoffrost

That's exactly how it will probably go. You really can't put much, if any, stock in the results of preseason games until you get to the last couple when they are, for the most part, starting their regular lineup.

Until then you get a weird mix of top players mainly just going through the motions, marginal players playing it like a normal regular season and kids and prospects going all out like it's the Stanley Cup finals. I try to focus more on how individual prospects react to the speed of NHL competition and the little things that often separate guys that will be good NHL players from guys that will be AHLers. The final score, for the most part, means little.

Anyone else see that it looks like Crawford could be on the shelf for a while in Chicago to start the season?

Could that be the spot where possibly you move Neuvirth? Allows you then to keep Elliott/Lyon and then run Hart/Stolarz in Lehigh?

How about going with it's September and it's a meaningless pre season game so instead of bowling over a player in a vulnerable position you let up a little on a player?
- MJL

So Morin was in the wrong for his hit last season that led to his fight with Farnham? Funny, I don't remember a lot of people on here taking issue with it.

I'm not saying you should be out there looking to run people, and I get that. But it's a contact sport. So while he could have let up, I don't see it as he went out and was looking to injure someone like a Tom Wilson type does. It was a hard, clean hit, and it unfortunately ended badly for Sanheim.

It's not right, but it's not wrong either if you know what I mean. I think it's about respect for fellow players and culture that has been in the league a long time that really needs to change.
- MJL

Exactly. Martin knew he had a vulnerable player that he had no chance to protect himself. That whole line and Turcotte were just running around all game hitting everything

Exactly. Martin knew he had a vulnerable player that he had no chance to protect himself. That whole line and Turcotte were just running around all game hitting everything
- J35Bacher

So our idea is to put a few guys out there to do the same.

That mentality has worked out well for the Bloods and Crips.

So Morin was in the wrong for his hit last season that led to his fight with Farnham? Funny, I don't remember a lot of people on here taking issue with it.
- jmatchett383

If I remember I didn't think Farnham was in a vulnerable position. Wasn't he carrying the puck down the wing?

Also the hit wasn't illegal? Martin did get a penalty so there is a difference. Sanheim was in a vulnerable position and had no chance to protect himself.

So Morin was in the wrong for his hit last season that led to his fight with Farnham? Funny, I don't remember a lot of people on here taking issue with it.

I'm not saying you should be out there looking to run people, and I get that. But it's a contact sport. So while he could have let up, I don't see it as he went out and was looking to injure someone like a Tom Wilson type does. It was a hard, clean hit, and it unfortunately ended badly for Sanheim.
- jmatchett383

Penalty on the play. Wasn't clean

So our idea is to put a few guys out there to do the same.

That mentality has worked out well for the Bloods and Crips.
- jmatchett383

If you read my post i stated not dirty. But yeah. As you say it's a contact sport. Why can't I want to see my team send a message. Just like in baseball. you hit my guy I am hitting yours?

If I remember I didn't think Farnham was in a vulnerable position. Wasn't he carrying the puck down the wing?

Also the hit wasn't illegal? Martin did get a penalty so there is a difference. Sanheim was in a vulnerable position and had no chance to protect himself.
- J35Bacher

He didn't hit Farnham, there was a guy about half his size a few feet from the boards that Morin threw a big hit on. Dude was definitely in a vulnerable spot and Sammy didn't let up one iota. But we all loved it.

The Martin hit, to me, was interference since Sanheim didn't have the puck. But interference happens, what, 1-4 times every game? Again, it wasn't on par with a Wilson/Marchand type of hit (again, IMO0.

Oh, and "verterans vs rookies blah blah blah."

Penalty on the play. Wasn't clean
- J35Bacher

No, it was an illegal hit. Difference between illegal/legal and clean/dirty. To me, it was a clean hit, maybe excessively forceful, but clean.

Is it wrong i hope the Flyers come out hitting like the Islanders did. Kind of feel like the Islanders took advantage of a young prospect filled lineup. The hit on Sanheim was something I would hope to see Simmonds or someone else need to Martin about or maybe send a message back tonight. Martin knew the Flyers didn't really have anyone in the lineup that would challenge him.
- J35Bacher

Retaliation isn’t he the Flyers way any longer. Not what they are about. They have been soft and easy to play against for years and to expect anything to happen is foolish at this point.

If you read my post i stated not dirty. But yeah. As you say it's a contact sport. Why can't I want to see my team send a message. Just like in baseball. you hit my guy I am hitting yours?
- J35Bacher

That's fine. But I don't want our players going out with the mindset "We have to run around and hit everything that moves as hard as we can because one of our players got hit hard last night." If you go with that mindset every time a player gets injured, you're gonna spend a lot practicing that PK.

I don't want to see them get pushed around, but it should fall on every player, be it Weal or Morin, to stand up for their teammate. I DEFINITELY don't want Wayne Simmonds fighting a 4th liner like Martin, and I don't want a lineup spot going to a guy like Goulborune (in the regular season) just because maybe a player will throw a cheap hit.

He didn't hit Farnham, there was a guy about half his size a few feet from the boards that Morin threw a big hit on. Dude was definitely in a vulnerable spot and Sammy didn't let up one iota. But we all loved it.

The Martin hit, to me, was interference since Sanheim didn't have the puck. But interference happens, what, 1-4 times every game? Again, it wasn't on par with a Wilson/Marchand type of hit (again, IMO0.

Oh, and "verterans vs rookies blah blah blah."
- jmatchett383

The guy Morin hits is on the boards. It was a text book hit to separate the guy from the puck. The guy doesn't fall and just skates into the middle after. then Farnham challenges him.

You make the "verterans vs rookies blah blah blah." but then need to state about big guy hitting small guy.

I'm still not seeing the problem with the Martin hit. Sanheim lost the pass (it was a bad pass) and kind of was caught in no man's land and had to basically start from a stop. He's in between Martin and the puck so Martin bowls him over. Sanheim turned his back a split second before Martin made contact.

I know that the current NHL mindset is, "You hit him hard and clean, so now we must fight," but, to me, it was just a clean hit where Sanheim shared as much blame as Martin for the result. That said, I'd hope they come out a little more fired up tonight.

IMO.
- jmatchett383

Shocked u see it that why though you are correct.

I'm guessing he plays. He's what, 21? Don't think playing back to back will faze him that much.
- BiggE

Not saying it will, but I they have games today, tomorrow, wednesday and friday.

He'll probably play in 2 or 3 of those 4. I just don't know if it will be today. Lines may have already come out, tho.

How about going with it's September and it's a meaningless pre season game so instead of bowling over a player in a vulnerable position you let up a little on a player?
- MJL

How about Martin is fighting for a roster spot and needs to play his game. No need to let up.

Last night I had a dream that Voracek got traded and I woke up in a panic

How about Martin is fighting for a roster spot and needs to play his game. No need to let up.
- rinaldo

He's not fighting for a roster spot. They traded for him. Lou wanted him back with the Islanders to have that tough 4th line.

How about Martin is fighting for a roster spot and needs to play his game. No need to let up.
- rinaldo

He isn't fighting for a roster spot tho

Any word on who Giroux will be centering tonight? I really want to know his wingers will be for tonight’s game.

The guy Morin hits is on the boards. It was a text book hit to separate the guy from the puck. The guy doesn't fall and just skates into the middle after. then Farnham challenges him.

You make the "verterans vs rookies blah blah blah." but then need to state about big guy hitting small guy.
- J35Bacher

No, the rookies vs. vets thing was the whole "Veterans don't have to try but rookies do," argument that someone always likes to use as his trump card.

So okay, Morin smashes a dude in a vulnerable position and the dude gets up. Good. What if the dude crumpled to the ice and had to get stretchered off? Does that all of a sudden make the hit any more predatory/dangerous to the prone player?

Again, I'm not saying Martin did the right thing. I'm just saying he also didn't do the wrong thing, and that Sanheim (and Folin) share in the blame as well for having Sanheim be in that position in the first place. Also not saying I want then Flyers to be passive, but I don't want it to have to fall to one or two guys, who may not bring much else to the table, to handle it.

Exactly. Martin knew he had a vulnerable player that he had no chance to protect himself. That whole line and Turcotte were just running around all game hitting everything
- J35Bacher

So they did there job. Kudos to them

Any word on who Giroux will be centering tonight? I really want to know his wingers will be for tonight’s game.
- SuperSchennBros

He's listed as a wing on the roster, just keep swimming

How about Martin is fighting for a roster spot and needs to play his game. No need to let up.
- rinaldo

No he's not. He's got a spot on that team. They love that 4th line of Clutterbuck, Martin,Cizikas.

Don't have a problem with the hit, tho.

Any word on who Giroux will be centering tonight? I really want to know his wingers will be for tonight’s game.
- SuperSchennBros

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