Count me in the "keep the best players hysterical group".


I'm a mad man
- Nucker101

if that makes you hysterical, or a mad man, than what do we classify the people that opt to keep players that are inferior/worse, just to save them from the ridicule of being placed on waivers?

Count me in the "keep the best players hysterical group".


I'm a mad man
- Nucker101[/quote]

I thought I was the crazy one. lol.
I agree with you. Keep your best players.

if a team makes a waiver claim, on say gaunce/Archibald, they must be in dire straights to be needing a 4th line winger/center if they do indeed put in a claim. No team is going to claim a 4th line fringe player with the intention of putting them on waivers again, as the Canucks can re-claim and directly assign to the AHL. So in terms of Gaunce/Archibald, I wouldn't care if they get claimed, cause it won't be long before they go back on waivers from a different team.
- Codes1087

Gaunce is not Archibald

He's a solid 13th forward on most teams, you can lol about his 5 goals last season but 5 goals is around what I expect any 4rth liner to score, including beagle and rousell who are better players right now.

if that makes you hysterical, or a mad man, than what do we classify the people that opt to keep players that are inferior/worse, just to save them from the ridicule of being placed on waivers?
- Codes1087

everyone seems to say that they're not in this group....until it's their fav scrub on the chopping block.

So for now I doubt anyone is going to lose their poop, but once a scrub who has a fan club gets waived, then you'll see who was just bs'ing about being cool with keeping up the best players.


and it goes both ways. if management sends down a kid who outplayed most/all of the bubble vets, then anyone who defends management is also a liar and on "team scrub asset management"

everyone seems to say that they're not in this group....until it's their fav scrub on the chopping block.

So for now I doubt anyone is going to lose their poop, but once a scrub who has a fan club gets waived, then you'll see who was just bs'ing about being cool with keeping up the best players.


and it goes both ways. if management sends down a kid who outplayed most/all of the bubble vets, then anyone who defends management is also a liar and on "team scrub asset management"
- Nucker101

As long as they keep the best players I'll be cool.

When they waive Gaunce over inferior players like granlund, motte, eriksson and beagle, then I'll get pissed.

Gaunce is not Archibald

He's a solid 13th forward on most teams, you can lol about his 5 goals last season but 5 goals is around what I expect any 4rth liner to score, including beagle and rousell who are better players right now.
- Pres.cup

At no disrespect pressy, I just don't have that attachment to our players. I really just want the Canucks to ice the best players, and the most deserving players. If we lose Gaunce to waivers in order to do it, than it won't bother me. If Gaunce is the absolute best option, and he beats a prospect who deserves time in Utica, than so be it, but if a prospect deserves it over him, than losing him won't be the end of the world.

I would rather players who deserve to play on the canucks, play on the canucks, at the expense of losing scraps to waivers, than to send down a kid who deserves it, just to save the scraps of their feelings, or being claimed.
- Codes1087

I wouldn't get your hopes up, not a chance they keep the "best/deserving" 12-13 forwards. They will keep players based on the role/opportunity and balance the decision against maintaining their depth and the development plan for the player. The depth isn't pretty but it was embarrassing some of the rosters they assembled the past few seasons when the injuries hit, no chance they risk losing that now

everyone seems to say that they're not in this group....until it's their fav scrub on the chopping block.

So for now I doubt anyone is going to lose their poop, but once a scrub who has a fan club gets waived, then you'll see who was just bs'ing about being cool with keeping up the best players.


and it goes both ways. if management sends down a kid who outplayed most/all of the bubble vets, then anyone who defends management is also a liar and on "team scrub asset management"
- Nucker101

...and when the "best" players out of training camp hit a wall or regress (after 5-20 games), what then?

all these hard and fast rules; "keep and play the players that are playing the best right now" or "asset management!!!" are great fodder for our inane/insane discussions but not entirely forward thinking.

either way, it's going to be a sh!t show of a season which is probably the best thing for this thread.

As long as they keep the best players I'll be cool.

When they waive Gaunce over inferior players like granlund, motte, eriksson and beagle, then I'll get pissed.
- Pres.cup

If Gaunce is truly better than those players then he should outplay them in pre-season so we'll see. It's not like he should be coasting, he knows his NHL job this year is on the line.

...and when the "best" players out of training camp hit a wall or regress (after 5-20 games), what then?

all these hard and fast rules; "keep and play the players that are playing the best right now; or "asset management!!!" are great fodder for our inane/insane discussions but not entirely forward thinking.

either way, it's going to be a sh!t show of a season which is probably the best thing for this thread.
- RealityChecker

Then you make the necessary adjustments and send them down to the AHL and call-up a player who's playing well in the AHL. Don't do what they did with Virtanen/McCann and stick to stubbornly keeping them for the entire season.

The Canucks have an overload of depth forwards under contract, even if they lose a player to waivers, they'll still have call-up options in Utica.

...and when the "best" players out of training camp hit a wall or regress (after 5-20 games), what then?

all these hard and fast rules; "keep and play the players that are playing the best right now; or "asset management!!!" are great fodder for our inane/insane discussions but not entirely forward thinking.

either way, it's going to be a sh!t show of a season which is probably the best thing for this thread.
- RealityChecker

I wouldn't get your hopes up, not a chance they keep the "best/deserving" 12-13 forwards. They will keep players based on the role/opportunity and balance the decision against maintaining their depth and the development plan for the player. The depth isn't pretty but it was embarrassing some of the rosters they assembled the past few seasons when the injuries hit, no chance they risk losing that now
- WhiteLie

I don't doubt that management would rather send Dahlen/Gaudette to Utica, than risk Goldobin and Gaunce. If it had it my way, is what I am saying, I would rather they let the best players play, and not worry about cutting losses with players who suck. All I am trying to say regarding waiver losses.

everyone seems to say that they're not in this group....until it's their fav scrub on the chopping block.

So for now I doubt anyone is going to lose their poop, but once a scrub who has a fan club gets waived, then you'll see who was just bs'ing about being cool with keeping up the best players.


and it goes both ways. if management sends down a kid who outplayed most/all of the bubble vets, then anyone who defends management is also a liar and on "team scrub asset management"
- Nucker101

Some of the management decisions, could be the role they want filled.
If they decide they need a decent guy at killing penalties, they may favour a guy like Gaunce over Dahlen, or if a PP player needed, it may be the other way around.
I personally don't care either way and expect too see many roster changes over the next 2 seasons.
I will only lose my poop if Jake screws it up and gets waived/traded.😁

Some of the management decisions, could be the role they want filled.
If they decide they need a decent guy at killing penalties, they may favour a guy like Gaunce over Dahlen, or if a PP player needed, it may be the other way around.
I personally don't care either way and expect too see many roster changes over the next 2 seasons.
I will only lose my poop if Jake screws it up and gets waived/traded.😁
- Reubenkincade

For sure.


I'm pretty sure that's why Green sounded disappointed when Upshall signed in STL last year. I think Green wanted him around for the PK even though he's a pretty "meh" 5v5 player.

Then you make the necessary adjustments and send them down to the AHL and call-up a player who's playing well in the AHL. The Canucks have an overload of depth forwards under contract, even if they lose a player to waivers, they'll still have call-up options in Utica.
- Nucker101

i'm not saying i disagree with you.

i'm saying that training camp and pre-season are great for finding "fools gold."

this team has been bad for so long that fans are so eager to see any hope of promise from the youngsters. sure, a lot of the team's vets suck but lets not forget this is just training camp/preseason. it doesn't take much for a youngster to look good when the team sucks. steve kariya anyone?

if you have the philosophy that only the players that played the "best" in training camp should make the team; does this not flow into the season? after how many games do you re-evaluate? do you send down/call up every 5-10 games based on who's playing the best?

probably not. which is why, "whoever's playing the best out of training camp," sounds great but isn't the full story as to who stays and who gets sent down.

i'm not saying i disagree with you.

i'm saying that training camp and pre-season are great for finding "fools gold."

this team has been bad for so long that fans are so eager to see any hope of promise from the youngsters. sure, a lot of the team's vets suck but lets not forget this is just training camp/preseason. it doesn't take much for a youngster to look good when the team sucks. steve kariya anyone?

if you have the philosophy that only the players that played the "best" in training camp should make the team; does this not flow into the season? after how many games do you re-evaluate? do you send down/call up every 5-10 games based on who's playing the best?

probably not. which is why, "whoever's playing the best out of training camp," sounds great but isn't the full story as to who stays and who gets sent down.
- RealityChecker

and you bring up an excellent point. People can't make judgements based off of scrimmages and preseason games. Its easy to find attachment to players who score goals, but the show is so much more than what you get in scrimmages/preseason.

everyone seems to say that they're not in this group....until it's their fav scrub on the chopping block.

So for now I doubt anyone is going to lose their poop, but once a scrub who has a fan club gets waived, then you'll see who was just bs'ing about being cool with keeping up the best players.


and it goes both ways. if management sends down a kid who outplayed most/all of the bubble vets, then anyone who defends management is also a liar and on "team scrub asset management"
- Nucker101

I wouldn't get your hopes up, not a chance they keep the "best/deserving" 12-13 forwards. They will keep players based on the role/opportunity and balance the decision against maintaining their depth and the development plan for the player. The depth isn't pretty but it was embarrassing some of the rosters they assembled the past few seasons when the injuries hit, no chance they risk losing that now
- WhiteLie

This.

i'm not saying i disagree with you.

i'm saying that training camp and pre-season are great for finding "fools gold."

this team has been bad for so long that fans are so eager to see any hope of promise from the youngsters. sure, a lot of the team's vets suck but lets not forget this is just training camp/preseason. it doesn't take much for a youngster to look good when the team sucks. steve kariya anyone?

if you have the philosophy that only the players that played the "best" in training camp should make the team; does this not flow into the season? after how many games do you re-evaluate? do you send down/call up every 5-10 games based on who's playing the best?

probably not. which is why, "whoever's playing the best out of training camp," sounds great but isn't the full story as to who stays and who gets sent down.
- RealityChecker

This.

I don't doubt that management would rather send Dahlen/Gaudette to Utica, than risk Goldobin and Gaunce. If it had it my way, is what I am saying, I would rather they let the best players play, and not worry about cutting losses with players who suck. All I am trying to say regarding waiver losses.
- Codes1087

I think the Canucks have also made it clear the types of roles they are putting together, which leaves room for interpretation on "best".

In my mind, someone like Gaudette has almost zero chance to make the team out of camp. Scoring C's look to be Horvat and Pettersson. Then they have that Sutter/Beagle arrangement for checking roles for lines 3 & 4. I also think Goldobin is likely going to make it because of his ability to run the halfwall on PP2. The roles just make it harder to define "best"

I think the Canucks have also made it clear the types of roles they are putting together, which leaves room for interpretation on "best".

In my mind, someone like Gaudette has almost zero chance to make the team out of camp. Scoring C's look to be Horvat and Pettersson. Then they have that Sutter/Beagle arrangement for checking/3rd line role. I also think Goldobin is likely going to make it because of his ability to run the halfwall on PP2. The roles just make it harder to define "best"
- WhiteLie

regardless to what happens, like stated above, people are either going to be hysterical over who gets sent to Utica, or who gets waived, it will make for interesting comments in here. Despite what everyone thinks, or what opinion they have, I think its common knowledge that whatever route management decides to go with, the team probably doesn't exceed many peoples expectations as far as a good year goes.

Might go to the game tonight. Anyone else?
Jimbo. Genius.

I think the Canucks have also made it clear the types of roles they are putting together, which leaves room for interpretation on "best".

In my mind, someone like Gaudette has almost zero chance to make the team out of camp. Scoring C's look to be Horvat and Pettersson. Then they have that Sutter/Beagle arrangement for checking roles for lines 3 & 4. I also think Goldobin is likely going to make it because of his ability to run the halfwall on PP2. The roles just make it harder to define "best"
- WhiteLie

exactly.

best player for the role =/= player playing the best right now.

Might go to the game tonight. Anyone else?
Jimbo. Genius.
- storm88

I think I will...how can one pass up seeing EPS first game? Only a negative Nancy like Vinty could

regardless to what happens, like stated above, people are either going to be hysterical over who gets sent to Utica, or who gets waived, it will make for interesting comments in here. Despite what everyone thinks, or what opinion they have, I think its common knowledge that whatever route management decides to go with, the team probably doesn't exceed many peoples expectations as far as a good year goes.
- Codes1087

Very true. That being said, for the first time in a while (maybe ever for the Canucks), I will be excited, rather than dread, an injury call up. The injuries will be inevitable and the call ups will hopefully see more icetime than pressboxes when they arrive