Question. Just say Hart makes the Flyers. With Elliott still there is he the starter or is it a time share thing or back up?

I have a hard time see Hart on this roster to sit.
- J35Bacher

If Hart is here, he is playing, maybe not every game, but he will and should play. No reason to have him here just to ride the pine. I think the organization knows this and firmly believes this.

He is either playing a lot in the NHL or playing a lot in the AHL, no sitting either way.

Especially with Elliott being such a huge question mark right now.

I think we may see Carter Hart much sooner than later if he continues to play lights out in these remaining preseason games.
- MBFlyerfan

Agreed. The Flyers should have enough firepower to solidly be a playoff team as long as they can at least get league average goaltending. I think the best way to get that is to roll with a tandem of Elliott/Hart. Elliott is a guy that needs a partner that can play a lot and he should be a good mentor for the kid. As far as Lyon/Neuvirth go, as soon as both are healthy, I’d waive and demote Lyon and offer Neuvirth around the league with 50% retention and take whatever you can get for him. With a cap hit of only 1.25 million on an expiring contract, I think a team with an injured and/or struggling goalie may take a chance on him.

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- Nucker101

yeah there was this pretty funny bug where martin marincin was pre-ranked like 125th or something

If Hart is here, he is playing, maybe not every game, but he will and should play. No reason to have him here just to ride the pine. I think the organization knows this and firmly believes this.

He is either playing a lot in the NHL or playing a lot in the AHL, no sitting either way.
- MBFlyerfan

I think they would start the season having him and Elliott alternate games.

I think they would start the season having him and Elliott alternate games.
- BiggE

I would like to think they would start the season having him and Elliott alternate games.

Question. Just say Hart makes the Flyers. With Elliott still there is he the starter or is it a time share thing or back up?

I have a hard time see Hart on this roster to sit.
- J35Bacher

I’d think they would work him in as a normal back up. Despite not playing as often as he would with the Phantoms, he still would get good experience facing NHL talent in practices/workouts with the big club as well as a good mentor in Elliott.

I’d think they would work him in as a normal back up. Despite not playing as often as he would with the Phantoms, he still would get good experience facing NHL talent in practices/workouts with the big club as well as a good mentor in Elliott.
- arichardson22

I agree...I would actually prefer he just started on the Phantoms playing regularly to start the year

It's cool... I hate all of you anyways.

I agree...I would actually prefer he just started on the Phantoms playing regularly to start the year
- YuenglingJagr

Yeah I rather see him start in the AHL too. there really isn’t a need to rush a young goalie into the NHL league. Especially with all the hype built around him. I hope Stoalie has a strong rest of preseason so he can be the back up

Agreed. The Flyers should have enough firepower to solidly be a playoff team as long as they can at least get league average goaltending. I think the best way to get that is to roll with a tandem of Elliott/Hart. Elliott is a guy that needs a partner that can play a lot and he should be a good mentor for the kid. As far as Lyon/Neuvirth go, as soon as both are healthy, I’d waive and demote Lyon and offer Neuvirth around the league with 50% retention and take whatever you can get for him. With a cap hit of only 1.25 million on an expiring contract, I think a team with an injured and/or struggling goalie may take a chance on him.
- BiggE

So a team is going to trade for Neuvirth to replace an injured goaltender? Talk about irony. If you were a GM would you do that?

It's cool... I hate all of you anyways.
- VladDrag

So a team is going to trade for Neuvirth to replace an injured goaltender? Talk about irony. If you were a GM would you do that?
- MJL

Depends. He’s in his last year so if I have a goalie out with a 4-6 week or so injury and don’t have much depth at the position, with 50% retention I’d take a shot. I’d only be offering future considerations for him anyway and the most I’d give up is a 7th if he plays a certain amount of games.

Do I want them to start a first-year pro in Hart, even as accomplished as his junior career was? Of course not.

But at some point, if he's healthy and playing well in the preseason, and you were the one who brought back Mr. Glass and knew Brian Elliott had a significant injury last year, people can't just sit there and say "Well, you know, we can't play the young guy"

Because to be honest, an outcome of Hart starting was as likely as Neuvirth being healthy, in my mind

Do I want them to start a first-year pro in Hart, even as accomplished as his junior career was? Of course not.

But at some point, if he's healthy and playing well in the preseason, and you were the one who brought back Mr. Glass and knew Brian Elliott had a significant injury last year, people can't just sit there and say "Well, you know, we can't play the young guy"

Because to be honest, an outcome of Hart starting was as likely as Neuvirth being healthy, in my mind
- AllInForFlyers

Every kid is different. If the reports are true that the kid's maturity and work ethic are off the charts for a 20 yoa...he may have checked the most difficult blocks for a 20 year old already. A 35 game workload is something that maybe they think he can handle.

Depends. He’s in his last year so if I have a goalie out with a 4-6 week or so injury and don’t have much depth at the position, with 50% retention I’d take a shot. I’d only be offering future considerations for him anyway and the most I’d give up is a 7th if he plays a certain amount of games.
- BiggE

The bottom line is that they have to man up and make the decision now that they should have made in July: You cannot trust Michal Neurvirth

Since you cannot overplay Brian Elliott, and Alex Lyon and Anthony Stolarz probably shouldn't be counted upon to play 30 gsmes for a playoff contender, and nobody wants to rush Hart, then you need to get a guy

It's that simple. You should be a 100-point team. You cannot (frank) around with this goaltending when you KNOW Neuvirth cannot stay healthy

If Hart is here, he is playing, maybe not every game, but he will and should play. No reason to have him here just to ride the pine. I think the organization knows this and firmly believes this.

He is either playing a lot in the NHL or playing a lot in the AHL, no sitting either way.
- MBFlyerfan

I don't think Hart starts the season in the NHL unless there's no other option. So unless Stolarz and/or Elliott go down, assuming Lyon and Neuvirth both aren't ready to go, they'll likely start with Elliott/Stolarz and let Hart be the man in LHV.

But yes, if he's in the NHL, he's gotta be getting half the starts.

I don't think Hart starts the season in the NHL unless there's no other option. So unless Stolarz and/or Elliott go down, assuming Lyon and Neuvirth both aren't ready to go, they'll likely start with Elliott/Stolarz and let Hart be the man in LHV.

But yes, if he's in the NHL, he's gotta be getting half the starts.
- jmatchett383

Lets see how he does against the more NHL player heavy preseason lineups this week

Lets see how he does against the more NHL player heavy preseason lineups this week
- Just5

It's not a matter of performance, it's a matter of warm bodies on the roster. Unless he's one of only 2 healthy goalies under contract, I don't think he starts in the NHL no matter how he plays.

Depends. He’s in his last year so if I have a goalie out with a 4-6 week or so injury and don’t have much depth at the position, with 50% retention I’d take a shot. I’d only be offering future considerations for him anyway and the most I’d give up is a 7th if he plays a certain amount of games.
- BiggE

Hextall might give him away for free if he has faith in Lyon, Stolarz, or wants to rush Hart. Ask yourself why you want to move Neuvirth and then ask if a GM would be confident that he can rely on Nuevirth to stay healthy.

I don't think Hart starts the season in the NHL unless there's no other option. So unless Stolarz and/or Elliott go down, assuming Lyon and Neuvirth both aren't ready to go, they'll likely start with Elliott/Stolarz and let Hart be the man in LHV.

But yes, if he's in the NHL, he's gotta be getting half the starts.
- jmatchett383

I agree. Hextall will only keep Hart in the NHL if he is forced to.

Hextall might give him away for free if he has faith in Lyon, Stolarz, or wants to rush Hart. Ask yourself why you want to move Neuvirth and then ask if a GM would be confident that he can rely on Nuevirth to stay healthy.
- MJL

Well, one reason that the Flyers would want to move him is that they have a small logjam with 5 NHL/AHL goalies with only 4 spots. So if another team has only 3 NHL/AHL goalies, they may have a spot.

But yes, due to his unreliable health history, there is likely little to no market for him.

Well, one reason that the Flyers would want to move him is that they have a small logjam with 5 NHL/AHL goalies with only 4 spots. So if another team has only 3 NHL/AHL goalies, they may have a spot.

But yes, due to his unreliable health history, there is likely little to no market for him.
- jmatchett383

Everyone knows why the Flyers would want to move him. It's about if another team would want to acquire him as you said.

Well, one reason that the Flyers would want to move him is that they have a small logjam with 5 NHL/AHL goalies with only 4 spots. So if another team has only 3 NHL/AHL goalies, they may have a spot.

But yes, due to his unreliable health history, there is likely little to no market for him.
- jmatchett383

I still don’t understand why we re-signed Neuvirth.

Fun fact, the Flyers currently have something like 34-35 left in camp including 5 goalies (healthy and injured) and if the season started today they would still be under the cap.

Lets see how he does against the more NHL player heavy preseason lineups this week
- Just5

Then they're just kicking the can down the road -- seriously. Think about what we're talking about here.

Five months after playing the Spokane Chiefs and the Seattle Thunderbirds, we're gonna ask a 20-year-old to do what? Deliver what should be a 100-point team 35-40 points? 17-20 wins?

In the Metropolitan Division? Against two teams that have won the last three Stanley Cups? Another which features a two-time Vezina winner?

Because Mr. Glass can't stay healthy. He won't be available. We have to plan for it like that.

They need another guy. They can't ask a 20-year-old to backstop the Philadelphia Flyers. That's crazy. This franchise and fanbase has eaten alive Sean Burke and John Vanbiesbrouck and on and on...they have to let this kid develop