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ajw12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.27.2017

Oct 4 @ 4:30 PM ET
Damn I didn't think the Marchand fight would be this controversial. If any Flyer did this after being down 7-0 no one would say boo.

Just another fight. Nothing more, nothing less.

- Pelle31Forever


There's a difference between fighting someone and jumping an unsuspecting player and throwing punches before he even knows he's in a fight. The latter is just a beotch move but I mean it is Marchand we're talking about so can't expect anything less.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 4 @ 4:30 PM ET
I can't stand Marchand but of all the crappy things he's done I think this is as close to being both crappy and not suspendable.

Initially I thought "WHOA" when I heard 20 games for Wilson but then I saw how tight his suspension history is. I actually think his hit in the playoffs was far worse then this one and deserved so much more then he got but I definitely had to reconsider my first reaction. Still surprised it was 20 rather than 12/15 but he really isn't getting it.

- mayorofangrytown

He paid 1.2 million dollars to hit a guy who was barely on the roster in a game that meant nothing. He thinks it is okay to hit guys in the head. That needs to change.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 4 @ 4:30 PM ET
Nice, actual puck drop is 10:15 ET so it won't be delayed much
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 4 @ 4:35 PM ET
There's a difference between fighting someone and jumping an unsuspecting player and throwing punches before he even knows he's in a fight. The latter is just a beotch move but I mean it is Marchand we're talking about so can't expect anything less.
- ajw12


Basically, as far as I'm concerned, Marchand violated a written and unwritten rule by punching a guy who didn't want to fight because the guy violated an unwritten rule that Marchand, himself, violates all the (frank)ing time.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 4 @ 4:52 PM ET
Why would/should he be suspended? To me he just whooped his as$ for taunting the bench after he scored.
- Pelle31Forever


No argument here....was just starting a discussion. I’m fine with what he did....bad optics for everyone outside the only spot that matters....the Bruins dressing room. I’m sure, like Bill suggested above, the teammates are totally behind Marchands actions.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 4 @ 4:56 PM ET
Basically, as far as I'm concerned, Marchand violated a written and unwritten rule by punching a guy who didn't want to fight because the guy violated an unwritten rule that Marchand, himself, violates all the (frank)ing time.
- johndewar


It is ironic....a guy that breaks written and unwritten rules all the time is now on the proper side...
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 4 @ 5:03 PM ET
And Emery went out the next night, shut out the Devils, and the Flyers season started to turn around very shortly thereafter. Right or wrong, the guys in the room LOVED what he did, even if many outside it were condemning it. It let out a lot of frustration and brought the team closer together.

Not saying it was the right thing for Emery to do, but it had an internally positive effect.

- bmeltzer


That’s the rub....Marchand did something that every guy in that room would get behind. That’s a guy that their dressing room will follow. I know the game has changed, it’s passing some us by...me...but what Eller did was really stupid, and I would guess he wont show that level of disrespect against an opponent ever again.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 4 @ 5:04 PM ET
Why should Wilson have gotten it?

The league has been soft on him in the past and Washington just gave him a fat contract?

What incentive has he had to be better?

- johndewar

What am I missing?

Thinking we agree. Maybe a reread is in order.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 4 @ 5:05 PM ET
He paid 1.2 million dollars to hit a guy who was barely on the roster in a game that meant nothing. He thinks it is okay to hit guys in the head. That needs to change.
- YuenglingJagr

Absolutely. 1.2 should change his mind I'd think.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 4 @ 5:11 PM ET
I also think that in the hierarchy of unwritten rules, no celebrating a blowout scoreline is much lower than punching an another unsuspecting player.
- VladDrag


Agreed.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 4 @ 5:15 PM ET
What am I missing?

Thinking we agree. Maybe a reread is in order.

- mayorofangrytown

he is trying to fite you. make him pay
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 4 @ 5:17 PM ET
What am I missing?

Thinking we agree. Maybe a reread is in order.

- mayorofangrytown


We do.

I was making the point that Wilson has had no incentive to play a different way because he has been enabled to this point. Wilson has had no reason to "get it" with his headhunting.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 4 @ 5:18 PM ET
he is trying to fite you. make him pay
- YuenglingJagr




I bet Marchand would never chirp this dude
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 4 @ 5:21 PM ET
That’s the rub....Marchand did something that every guy in that room would get behind. That’s a guy that their dressing room will follow. I know the game has changed, it’s passing some us by...me...but what Eller did was really stupid, and I would guess he wont show that level of disrespect against an opponent ever again.
- landros 2


The assumption is....EVERY guy in the room would get behind. The reality is not every one is and some that go along with it feel obligated to do so.

It's no different than dealing with the obligation to family because "blood is thicker..." than blah blah. There will always be someone out there with a moral compass who will choose right over obligations.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Oct 4 @ 5:27 PM ET
Hmmmm Weise does not look like a healthy scratch.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Oct 4 @ 5:28 PM ET
I’ve never heard of Led Zepplin, OTOH that Led Zeppelin group was pretty damned good
- BiggE


BiggE, LED Zeppelin or Pink Floyd?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 4 @ 5:28 PM ET
We do.

I was making the point that Wilson has had no incentive to play a different way because he has been enabled to this point. Wilson has had no reason to "get it" with his headhunting.

- johndewar


Neither does Marchand, the NHL made a clear statement...you do what you do, but when our hand is forced then we will tell you no then invite you to the all-star game.

Now if that wasn't Marchand last night...much different story for the other player.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 4 @ 5:30 PM ET
We do.

I was making the point that Wilson has had no incentive to play a different way because he has been enabled to this point. Wilson has had no reason to "get it" with his headhunting.

- johndewar

Gotcha.. fite postponed
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 4 @ 5:32 PM ET
Hmmmm Weise does not look like a healthy scratch.
- Landsbergfan

Nah.. that scratch is totally infected man.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 4 @ 5:40 PM ET
BiggE, LED Zeppelin or Pink Floyd?
- Hokeeguy9

Depends on my mood. Love em both
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Oct 4 @ 6:07 PM ET
Depends on my Dark Side of the mood. Love em both
- BiggE


See what you did there
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 4 @ 6:19 PM ET
See what you did there

- THE EVIL WITHIN

LOL
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 4 @ 6:25 PM ET
Hmmmm Weise does not look like a healthy scratch.
- Landsbergfan

No poop. He looks like Bojack.
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Oct 4 @ 6:32 PM ET
And Emery went out the next night, shut out the Devils, and the Flyers season started to turn around very shortly thereafter. Right or wrong, the guys in the room LOVED what he did, even if many outside it were condemning it. It let out a lot of frustration and brought the team closer together.

Not saying it was the right thing for Emery to do, but it had an internally positive effect.

- bmeltzer


Agree with you 100%!!!! But.....You’re wasting your time, Bill. Too many people just don’t get that part of the game. Just let them live in heir own world.....
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Oct 4 @ 6:35 PM ET
Depends on my mood. Love em both
- BiggE


Oh I’m with ya. Just wondering if you could pick a fave. Those two are at the top of my list.👍
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