Anyway...Stormey's out.

Enjoy the weekend. I think the whole thing is done by Sunday.

What would he get if he could sign elsewhere? Probably close to 8.
Its not about "deserve" it is about market value.

The RFA market was set by McDavid and Eichel, the rest of the RFA's based on their skill set slot in after that. For recent RFA's its not unreasonable to think he should get 7.5 to 8 based on his talent
- fsanford

McDavid is the best player in the league, and obviously the best player on the team, playing in a small market that traditionally has great trouble hanging on to their best players.

Eichel is the best player on his team, playing in a small market that traditionally has great trouble hanging on to their best players.

Nylander is (at best) the 4th best player on the Leafs, they don't have any problem retaining players, and they don't need him to sell tickets.

So not a great comparison.

Anyway...Stormey's out.

Enjoy the weekend. I think the whole thing is done by Sunday.
- stormey

Happy long weekend, Stormsie!

So give him a contract: 8 years X $7 million, and include a no movement clause.

BOOM!

Wedgie saves the day!
- Atomic Wedgie

i heard somewhere you cant give rfas nmc ntc clauses

So give him a contract: 8 years X $7 million, and include a no movement clause.

BOOM!

Wedgie saves the day!
- Atomic Wedgie

That seems reasonable, but I suspect the Toronto Leaf's bean counters have next years RFA's slotted at what they believe the $$ will be to keep them and your deal does not result in a balanced ledger :-)

Wonder what kind of total number they think Gardner, Marner and Matthews will need to come in at. 23 to 25 million?

What would he get if he could sign elsewhere? Probably close to 8.
Its not about "deserve" it is about market value.

The RFA market was set by McDavid and Eichel, the rest of the RFA's based on their skill set slot in after that. For recent RFA's its not unreasonable to think he should get 7.5 to 8 based on his talent
- fsanford

Seriously doubt he'd get 8 million anywhere. McDavid and Eichel are centers, they're not really comparables, plus Eichel had similar points in 20 or so less games.

Ehlers is a good comparable.

i heard somewhere you cant give rfas nmc ntc clauses
- systemtool

Just looked it up - you are correct, Toolsie.

Damn.

Boom - Wedgie doesn't save the day!

Seriously doubt he'd get 8 million anywhere. McDavid and Eichel are centers, they're not really comparables, plus Eichel had similar points in 20 or so less games.

Ehlers is a good comparable.
- Pacificgem

At least last year, the Leafs were saying that they would eventually switch Nylander to centre.

That plan's probably out the window, now.

At least last year, the Leafs were saying that they would eventually switch Nylander to centre.

That plan's probably out the window, now.
- Atomic Wedgie

Probably top three teams in the league with Tavares Matthews and Kadri down the middle, can't see him as a center on the Leafs, personally.

Probably top three teams in the league with Tavares Matthews and Kadri down the middle, can't see him as a center on the Leafs personally.
- Pacificgem

Can't see him on the Leafs, personally.

It's still not "big points". Jaden Schwartz has similar numbers at the same age, he makes 5.35 million per year. Not sure what his percentage was against the cap when he signed that deal but seems fair to me?

Just my opinion but I think Nylander is out to lunch on his ask.
- Pacificgem

I dont know if Schwartz is the best example

age-points
19 - 3
20 - 13
21 - 56

ppg - .558

Nylander

age-points
19 - 13
20 - 61
21 - 61

ppg - .729

until something is done, its just noise..and anything that gets out, is put out for a reason by one side.

I just dont get why some people take things personally and feel the need to call players losers and whatever else...
- senstroll

How about because we are fans, and we see a 22 year old holding out for the difference between say 6.5 million and 8 million per year to play a game.

As fans, we also foot the bill for "our team" and when what appears to be an unreasonable request is being made that could negatively impact the team, especially after 50+ years of embarrassment...

Yeah, we are entitled to not think much of that stance.

I dont know if Schwartz is the best example

age-points
19 - 3
20 - 13
21 - 56

ppg - .558

Nylander

age-points
19 - 13
20 - 61
21 - 61

ppg - .729
- senstroll

I'd say Nylander's numbers are inflated due to Matthews.

Ehlers is my comparable. That's the deal to be had.

I'd say Nylander's numbers are inflated due to Matthews.

Ehlers is my comparable. That's the deal to be had.
- Lucas.Neilson

I'd say let someone else pay him.

I'd say Nylander's numbers are inflated due to Matthews.

Ehlers is my comparable. That's the deal to be had.
- Lucas.Neilson

Ehlers is a very good contract for the Jets.

I still think the final number will be more or less 7M per year.

Ehlers is a very good contract for the Jets.

I still think the final number will be more or less 7M per year.
- Scabeh

6.5 I think is the highest (im hoping) Dubas will pay.

I'd say let someone else pay him.
- bobbyisno1

unfortunately that may happen...

So... the following legitimately just made me spit out my coffee onto my notebook...

This wasn't marketing's greatest idea. These giant beach balls are heavy... And are knocking people's beers over including mine :/ pic.twitter.com/OmnOxEKzBR

— Kevin Lee (@BringBackLee) October 4, 2018

- markmark

As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

McDavid is the best player in the league, and obviously the best player on the team, playing in a small market that traditionally has great trouble hanging on to their best players.

Eichel is the best player on his team, playing in a small market that traditionally has great trouble hanging on to their best players.

Nylander is (at best) the 4th best player on the Leafs, they don't have any problem retaining players, and they don't need him to sell tickets.

So not a great comparison.
- Atomic Wedgie

Most guys in Nylanders class sign for 7 to 9 million per season. Look on every roster in the NHL. the 3rd or 4th best players on a roster are making at least 7.


In Canada and places like California you need to look at the higher end of that number if simply to offset tax penalties.

From a business and agents perspective you have to consider what other RFA's have signed for in other teams, regardless of reasons for it, fact is they set the market.

Matthews is gonna ask for 12 next year because of what Eichel and McDavid got and not base is on the fact he might only be the 2nd best player behind JT who is making 11 and therefore he should take 10

Probably gets resolved by the end of the month if not sooner, either a deal gets done or they trade him. Maybe see if Colorado will give you the Ottawa pick for him? How sick would the offense be if you added Hughes.

How about because we are fans, and we see 22 years holding out for the different between say 6,5 million and 8 million per year to play a game.

As fans, we also foot the bill for "our team" and when what appears to be an unreasonable request is being made that could negatively impact the team, especially after 50+ years of embarrassment...

Yeah, we are entitled to not think much of that stance.
- Aetherial

ok get mad and call him names, up to you

As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.
- Monkeypunk

They can, but not after they are butchered and frozen.

Most guys in Nylanders class sign for 7 to 9 million per season. Look on every roster in the NHL. the 3rd or 4th best players on a roster are making at least 7.


In Canada and places like California you need to look at the higher end of that number if simply to offset tax penalties.

From a business and agents perspective you have to consider what other RFA's have signed for in other teams, regardless of reasons for it, fact is they set the market.

Matthews is gonna ask for 12 next year because of what Eichel and McDavid got and not base is on the fact he might only be the 2nd best player behind JT who is making 11 and therefore he should take 10

Probably gets resolved by the end of the month if not sooner, either a deal gets done or they trade him. Maybe see if Colorado will give you the Ottawa pick for him?





- fsanford

Why would they most likely trade a top 3 pick for Nylander?

6.5 I think is the highest (im hoping) Dubas will pay.
- Lucas.Neilson

that would be a good spot to land.

what are the Leafs offering is what id like to know

Analogies to other industries don't really work, because other industries don't operate under a salary cap.
- Atomic Wedgie

Even if you concede that other industries do operate within a confined and relatively strict budget, the analogy fails because you don't typically pay employees based on potential. I'll pay you $150k because you look like the type who could win a Pulitzer!

They also don't purchase future years of employment.

The point is that in other industries you need to earn it, and prove it consistently. In the sports world, these days, you do it once, and you've seemingly earned the right to expect to be overpaid.

That seems reasonable, but I suspect the Toronto Leaf's bean counters have next years RFA's slotted at what they believe the $$ will be to keep them and your deal does not result in a balanced ledger :-)

Wonder what kind of total number they think Gardner, Marner and Matthews will need to come in at. 23 to 25 million?
- fsanford

Gardiner is gone.

Don't even consider that he will be with the team. There is no hope they can afford his next contract.