2 games into the season and the squabbling and hyperbole is in mid season form. Well done boys, keep up the good work!
- BiggE

You're being glib, hyperbolic and obtuse!

That game was not nearly as close as it was on the scoreboard. And the shot count is extremely deceptive surprise surprise.

Colorado was ravaging the flyers with speed all night and had all the prime scoring chances. Without Elliott at the top of his game that’s a blowout. Didn’t think the flyers challenged all that much all night. The familiar point shots and harmless shots down the wing count for squat

You're being glib, hyperbolic and obtuse!
- Konalover

Cool, mission accomplished!

Elliott was very good last night, but yeah, overall he is average. Looking at the October schedule, I'd like to see them do the following re starting goalie. Of course this assumes that Neuvirth can't get or stay healthy long enough to start a game:

10/9 vs Sharks: Elliott
10/10 vs Ottawa: Pickard
10/13 vs Vegas: Elliott
10/16 vs Florida: Elliott
10/18 vs Columbus: Pickard
10/20 vs Devils: Elliott
10/22 vs Avs: Pickard
10/25 vs Boston: Elliott
10/27 vs Islanders: Elliott
10/30 vs Anaheim: Elliott
11/1 vs LA: Pickard
- BiggE

He has to mix it up. Either Pickard or Nuevy. Tough stretch of early games too. They need to keep working hard. Pressure and forecheck has looked okay.

I didn't think Folin was all that great in the preseason, really, and other than being 6'3" and Swedish, I'm not quite sure what hockey talent evaluators see with Folin. What is he actually good at?

That game was not nearly as close as it was on the scoreboard. And the shot count is extremely deceptive surprise surprise.

Colorado was ravaging the flyers with speed all night and had all the prime scoring chances. Without Elliott at the top of his game that’s a blowout. Didn’t think the flyers challenged all that much all night. The familiar point shots and harmless shots down the wing count for squat
- Just5

I thought the Flyers had plenty of open ice in the first period and were good at getting up ice, but their legs disappeared in the 2nd pd. Defensively, the Flyers were a mess.

I didn't think Folin was all that great in the preseason, really, and other than being 6'3" and Swedish, I'm not quite sure what hockey talent evaluators see with Folin. What is he actually good at?
- johndewar

Coughing up the puck?

Most coaches would not take a player they use on PK out of the lineup in favor of a guy they use pretty much only at even strength. Weal may enter the lineup on LW on Tuesday if JVR misses time.
- bmeltzer

I didn't think Folin was all that great in the preseason, really, and other than being 6'3" and Swedish, I'm not quite sure what hockey talent evaluators see with Folin. What is he actually good at?
- johndewar

Blocking shots, pretty physical player, decent skater, good first-pass. At least in practice. But I agree that he wasn't all that good in the preseason, without or with the puck. His best day I saw was in practice battle drills (he manhandled the much smaller Jordan Weal, at one point literally shoving Weal -- and the puck -- right back out over the blueline after meeting him up high on the boards in the defensive zone) but he didn't do much in any of the games. Last night was ugly all around for him.

That game was not nearly as close as it was on the scoreboard. And the shot count is extremely deceptive surprise surprise.

Colorado was ravaging the flyers with speed all night and had all the prime scoring chances. Without Elliott at the top of his game that’s a blowout. Didn’t think the flyers challenged all that much all night. The familiar point shots and harmless shots down the wing count for squat
- Just5

bingo. the difference in play between the teams in moving the puck up ice was night and day. it was glaring. quick out and in a blink colorado was in the flyers end with point blank or otherwise good chances. elliott kept this a game in the 2nd or its a blow out. weak point shots to varlamov’s glove all night. they only had a few dangerous chances, despite all those 3rd period shots. as i said, 1 good dominating ES shift and 1 good powerplay. not much else going for them. a poor effort overall.

A little concerning that both Provy and Nolan have struggled so far

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Fall to Avalanche, 5-2
- bmeltzer

Dave Hakstol...

No excuse and absolutely no reason to remove Gudas in for Folin after a pretty impressive victory over Vegas.

Has our coach ever want a coaches challenge because his usage of the challenge always seems to be ill timed.

Unfortunately after last night, they’ll probably be more changes where he never needed to make any to begin with.

A little concerning that both Provy and Nolan have struggled so far
- bulet13

Come back with this after ten games. Then we can be concerned.

Come back with this after ten games. Then we can be concerned.
- MBFlyerfan

Not concerned with Provy in the slightest. He had a slow start in game one, but from late in the first period on, he had a very strong game. He wasn't at his best last night, but neither was most of the team and, even with that being said, he was still our 2nd best Dman last night.

I'd like to see more from Patrick, but like you pointed out, it's way too early to draw any conclusions.

Folin doesn't touch the ice again unless there is an injury or two. 4th line is fine. Sanheim needs to qb 2nd pp unit instead of Provy. Our top 9 will wake up soon. Elliott is average at best which is what we all knew. He has played well thus far. Hak shouldn't ride him too long though. Thought pp1 had good puck movement. Pp2 just doesn't get enough time to work.

We knew d and goalies were question marks. Nothing has changed through first 2 games.
- cdearth23

My whole thing with the second unit is, I understand they get like 45 seconds of ice time but they also cannot settle in within that 45 second window. Now Because of this, I’m a strong believer that we should have two defensemen out there because you wanna still be able to defend any short handed chances and if time expires they can play a regular even strength game without line change confusion because they have four forwards on the ice.

A little concerning that both Provy and Nolan have struggled so far
- bulet13

I’d like to split up ghost and Provorov.

It sometimes seems like Hakstol is more concerned with being a “stand-up guy” than a good coach.

My whole thing with the second unit is, I understand they get like 45 seconds of ice time but they also cannot settle in within that 45 second window. Now Because of this, I’m a strong believer that we should have two defensemen out there because you wanna still be able to defend any short handed chances and if time expires they can play a regular even strength game without line change confusion because they have four forwards on the ice.
- SuperSchennBros

Actually it's not even 45 seconds. First off, they are routinely coming onto the ice following a clear/icing and they are lucky if there is more than 30 seconds of PP time left. Unlike the top unit, who gets the benefit of starting with an O zone faceoff, the 2nd unit, even if everything works smoothly will then use about 10 seconds or so getting the puck up the ice and getting everyone into position in the O zone. So, at best, they now have about 20 seconds to get something done. I think any pp unit would struggle to have much success under these conditions.

I’d like to split up ghost and Provorov.
- Just5

If they can't get a viable 2nd pairing going, they will have no choice but to do this.

If they can't get a viable 2nd pairing going, they will have no choice but to do this.
- BiggE

As you said earlier, it’s tough for the second unit to get into the flow when they only have 20 seconds of pp time and are starting from behind their own net.

Actually it's not even 45 seconds. First off, they are routinely coming onto the ice following a clear/icing and they are lucky if there is more than 30 seconds of PP time left. Unlike the top unit, who gets the benefit of starting with an O zone faceoff, the 2nd unit, even if everything works smoothly will then use about 10 seconds or so getting the puck up the ice and getting everyone into position in the O zone. So, at best, they now have about 20 seconds to get something done. I think any pp unit would struggle to have much success under these conditions.
- BiggE

Yeah but you’re making my point. Okay, the second unit has 20 seconds. They have a tough time settling into the offensive zone. Why risk those 20 seconds with four forwards and one defender as time expires?

You cant argue this. If Gudas plays that changes what happens in the game altogether. There is no way to know what happens. Gudas could handle the game better, less mistakes and we wouldnt have had that 5 on 3. Maybe Gudas pots a rare goal, maybe he breaks up a couple plays by Colorado and sends our guys on the attack leading to more goals, maybe he takes a 5 min major and the game is worse than 5-2. Folin was on for 2 goals against. Maybe Gudas would have prevented those. If he does its a 2-2 hockey game. We dont know and we never will know. One player can make all the difference even if they are not super talented.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You also can't argue that Folin was (frank)ing horrendous and as a matter of fact was directly responsible for at least one goal.

Another brilliant move by Jet Hoodstool

Yeah but you’re making my point. Okay, the second unit has 20 seconds. They have a tough time settling into the offensive zone. Why risk those 20 seconds with four forwards and one defender as time expires?
- SuperSchennBros

Good point

Good point
- BiggE

So basically:

Voro - Patrick - TK

Provorov - Sanheim

So basically:

Voro - Patrick - TK

Provorov - Sanheim
- Glak18

Shouldn’t JVR be in there?