ofcourse not....right now it's a great thing

but like he said to us...enjoy it while it lasts, because the chances of them all being there next season is slim to none
- sensarmy_11

I would put the chances of the leafs signing Matthews, Marner and Nylander as very good.

slim to none is laughable

I think a big question is what happens next year and beyond. So many people are focused on this year due to the lottery pick.

You play the young guys sure, but the question of where that leaves the team bares asking.
- david22

youth movement is one thing, I agree, if you unload the clip and play 75% of your prospects, it could be damaging long term when injuries happen, or guys dont pan out etc, you are left in this wasteland of development system.

I would put the chances of the leafs signing Matthews, Marner and Nylander as very good.

slim to none is laughable
- senstroll

how is it laughable?

assume the cap is 80 (likely will be less)

leafs already have 50 mil committed for next year

you need to re-sign:

Matthews - probably going to get atleast the same 11mil Tavares got, if not more
marner - likely to get 9 or 10 mil
Nylander - seems pretty set on that 8 mil number, but let's just say 6.5 for arguments sake
gardiner - he'll get at least 6
kapanen - if he keeps it up can see him getting about 4-5
Leivo - let's say 2-3 mil
sparks - who knows, let's say 2

total is about 40-45 mil added on to the 50 mil already committed.

I know my math isn't great, but that's 10 + million more than the cap.......unless they plan on playing with only 9 forwards and 5 dmen

how is it laughable?

assume the cap is 80 (likely will be less)

leafs already have 50 mil committed for next year

you need to re-sign:

Matthews - probably going to get atleast the same 11mil Tavares got, if not more
marner - likely to get 9 or 10 mil
Nylander - seems pretty set on that 8 mil number, but let's just say 6.5 for arguments sake
gardiner - he'll get at least 6
kapanen - if he keeps it up can see him getting about 4-5
Leivo - let's say 2-3 mil
sparks - who knows, let's say 2

total is about 40-45 mil added on to the 50 mil already committed.

I know my math isn't great, but that's 10 + million more than the cap.......unless they plan on playing with only 9 forwards and 5 dmen
- sensarmy_11

Gardiner should be as good as gone I think.

how is it laughable?

assume the cap is 80 (likely will be less)

leafs already have 50 mil committed for next year

you need to re-sign:

Matthews - probably going to get atleast the same 11mil Tavares got, if not more
marner - likely to get 9 or 10 mil
Nylander - seems pretty set on that 8 mil number, but let's just say 6.5 for arguments sake
gardiner - he'll get at least 6
kapanen - if he keeps it up can see him getting about 4-5
Leivo - let's say 2-3 mil
sparks - who knows, let's say 2

total is about 40-45 mil added on to the 50 mil already committed.

I know my math isn't great, but that's 10 + million more than the cap.......unless they plan on playing with only 9 forwards and 5 dmen
- sensarmy_11

As long as they can sign Matthews and Marner, the other guys are replaceable/trade candidates.

how is it laughable?

assume the cap is 80 (likely will be less)

leafs already have 50 mil committed for next year

you need to re-sign:

Matthews - probably going to get atleast the same 11mil Tavares got, if not more
marner - likely to get 9 or 10 mil
Nylander - seems pretty set on that 8 mil number, but let's just say 6.5 for arguments sake
gardiner - he'll get at least 6
kapanen - if he keeps it up can see him getting about 4-5
Leivo - let's say 2-3 mil
sparks - who knows, let's say 2

total is about 40-45 mil added on to the 50 mil already committed.

I know my math isn't great, but that's 10 + million more than the cap.......unless they plan on playing with only 9 forwards and 5 dmen
- sensarmy_11

Gardiner will be gone... he's not signing with the Leafs for 6M+
Kapanen isn't getting more than about 2.5
Leivo will get 1.2 max
its doubtful whether Nylander gets more than Pastrnak (in my mind)...
Marner should see 7.5 - 8.5 (I'm guessing)
Matthews gets either a slightly lower annual on a bridge 5 year deal OR gets exactly what Tavares got

Hainsey's 3M goes away

I'm not sure where all the CAP concern comes from... I believe what Dubas is concerned about is an offer sheet for either Matthews or Marner should he not sign them by July 1st...

Gardiner should be as good as gone I think.
- david22

sure, and then their already bad D gets even worse, with no money to fix it.

and even if you remove gardiner, there are still going to be comfortably over the cap

Gardiner will be gone... he's not signing with the Leafs for 6M+
Kapanen isn't getting more than about 2.5
Leivo will get 1.2 max
its doubtful whether Nylander gets more than Pastrnak (in my mind)...
Marner should see 7.5 - 8.5 (I'm guessing)
Matthews gets either a slightly lower annual on a bridge 5 year deal OR gets exactly what Tavares got

Hainsey's 3M goes away

I'm not sure where all the CAP concern comes from... I believe what Dubas is concerned about is an offer sheet for either Matthews or Marner should he not sign them by July 1st...
- BorjeFan4Ever

there is a poop TON of wishful thinking in there.

basically every expert is saying Marner will be a 10 million dollar player if he continues the way he's going

if kapanen continues on this pace, there is ZERO chance you get him under contract for 2.5 mil. he's on pace for about 90 pts, even if he slows down and ends up with 50 or 55 he's gonna want atleast 4-5 mil.

whether you think nylander deserves 8 mil or not is irrelevant.....he's holding out for that, and doesn't seem to be wavering.

and you're beyond insane if you think Matthews is signing a bridge deal.

anyways, I'm done talking about the leafs

this thread should be about Ottawa and how well they played yesterday

anyways, I'm done talking about the leafs

this thread should be about Ottawa and how well they played yesterday
- sensarmy_11

Lajoie is the one player who I find most surprising. Chabot and Tkachuck were expected to make an impact, but Lajoie was a 5th round pick from two years ago. His numbers in hte ahl weren't close to this (so far).

we can say the same to you, considering your team is about to experience a Chicago level cap disaster......without having won 3 cups
- sensarmy_11

True, the shots are concerning. Hopefully they can start to address that as the season goes forward.

At this point though as fans all we can really do is enjoy the wins and hockey, and development of the young players.
- david22

Lajoie
Tkachuk
Chabot

Lajoie
Tkachuk
Chabot


- Aetherial

I picked up Lajoie in my pool as my 4th Defenseman.

Why not.

how is it laughable?

assume the cap is 80 (likely will be less)

leafs already have 50 mil committed for next year

you need to re-sign:

Matthews - probably going to get atleast the same 11mil Tavares got, if not more
marner - likely to get 9 or 10 mil
Nylander - seems pretty set on that 8 mil number, but let's just say 6.5 for arguments sake
gardiner - he'll get at least 6
kapanen - if he keeps it up can see him getting about 4-5
Leivo - let's say 2-3 mil
sparks - who knows, let's say 2

total is about 40-45 mil added on to the 50 mil already committed.

I know my math isn't great, but that's 10 + million more than the cap.......unless they plan on playing with only 9 forwards and 5 dmen
- sensarmy_11

you sign the star players who are the difference makers (the ones I mentined), you then have to make decisions on other players, like Gardiner and Marleau.

At the same time you keep drafting and developing players who are continually ready to slide in each year to reaplace aging over paid contracts (Marleau) and soon to be Gardiner. Sandin and Liljegren will work their way in over the next 2 seasons.

the point is for the Leafs to keep a very strong pipeline of developed players..so they can keep replacing the middling lower level ones who start to get to costly.

I know that is something we have never seen before with the Leafs, historically they would trade picks and prospects for the Dave Bollands of the world. but Dubas isnt as dumb

sure, and then their already bad D gets even worse, with no money to fix it.

and even if you remove gardiner, there are still going to be comfortably over the cap
- sensarmy_11

Pretty sure losing Gardiner is addition by subtraction

They've also got several guys on the Marlies who look like they will be ready to make the jump by next year on cheap ELC's

Sorry to burst your bubble fella but the only wishful thinking I'm seeing here is you yearning for your Ontario rival to have a cap problem that doesn't exist

If the shape they are in relative to the Sens bothers you that much you can take solace in the fact that the Sens are looking like they may not hand Colorado the best odds for drafting Hughes

Pretty sure losing Gardiner is addition by subtraction

They've also got several guys on the Marlies who look like they will be ready to make the jump by next year on cheap ELC's

Sorry to burst your bubble fella but the only wishful thinking I'm seeing here is you yearning for your Ontario rival to have a cap problem that doesn't exist

If the shape they are in relative to the Sens bothers you that much you can take solace in the fact that the Sens are looking like they may not hand Colorado the best odds for drafting Hughes
- poopstash

Its early, but the Rangers and Wings aren't looking great.

Lajoie is the one player who I find most surprising. Chabot and Tkachuck were expected to make an impact, but Lajoie was a 5th round pick from two years ago. His numbers in hte ahl weren't close to this (so far).
- david22

Last year during training camp Boucher went out of his way to rave about Lajoie. He talked about his hockey instincts. In particular, I remember his speaking about gap control and how young Dmen struggle to master that part of the NHL game. Boucher seemed to be making the case that Lajoie already understood how the game needed to be played at the NHL level.

I wonder if Lajoie's start has something to do with his playing up to the confidence that Boucher has in him? It is hard to explain how a kid has a mediocre year in the AHL and then improves when he steps up to the NHL. I don't imagine that anyone believes that he can continue at this level. There will be some levelling off. But, it sure is fun to see a 5th round pick begin to blossom.

Lajoie is the one player who I find most surprising. Chabot and Tkachuck were expected to make an impact, but Lajoie was a 5th round pick from two years ago. His numbers in hte ahl weren't close to this (so far).
- david22

Mark Stone was a 6th round, 178th pick and he is now a top 10 RW in the league. It is rare but late round picks can become great players and 1st over all can become bad one (Daigle,Yakupov). OTT might have hit a jackpot with Lajoie, only time will tell but its looking good so far.

Its early, but the Rangers and Wings aren't looking great.
- david22

No, they are most certainly not. And unless a few players in Arizona remember how to put the puck in the net they are also on a one-way trip to the basement.

anyways, I'm done talking about the leafs

this thread should be about Ottawa and how well they played yesterday
- sensarmy_11

No Problem

i didn't bring up the leafs, just responding to the concerns about their cap

enjoy it while it lasts
- senstroll

To you as well!

No, they are most certainly not. And unless a few players in Arizona remember how to put the puck in the net they are also on a one-way trip to the basement.
- poopstash

Sounds like they could use a bonified goal-scorer. One who wears their pajamas? What beautiful, delicious irony that would be, eh?

Sounds like they could use a bonified goal-scorer. One who wears their pajamas? What beautiful, delicious irony that would be, eh?
- sportsdataguy

It would be the biggest story in the NHL in a long time.

That said, I can't see Matthews wanting to leave Toronto anytime soon. He's going to get paid, and the Leafs have just entered what will likely be a very long cup window.

He certainly seems to be enjoying himself.

Anyone know why the Ray Emery blog was deleted??

Sounds like they could use a bonified goal-scorer. One who wears their pajamas? What beautiful, delicious irony that would be, eh?
- sportsdataguy

I wore habs pajamas ad a kid and I hate the Habs with a passion now.