So Tanger was all over him & Murray basically sat in front of him when he flubbed his shot - or got the only shot possible, was a high danger shot?

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of 'high danger'.

That means Horny slapping the puck into the pads of a goalie with zero chance of scoring is also 'high danger'?
- Aussiepenguin

Cool. We disagree. Imagine that. Who woulda thought we disagreed in something? (frank) me Sally.

Cool. We disagree. Imagine that. Who woulda thought we disagreed in something? (frank) me Sally.
- j.boyd919

My opinion of high danger has no merit?

My opinion of high danger has no merit?
- Aussiepenguin

Not to me it doesn’t.

Not to me it doesn’t.
- j.boyd919

So just because the location is close it's 'high danger' regardless of what the conditions of the actual shot are? Ok.

That sort of eliminates your opinion on hockey in regards to what you were discussing earlier.

So just because the location is close it's 'high danger' regardless of what the conditions of the actual shot are? Ok.

That sort of eliminates your opinion on hockey in regards to what you were discussing earlier.
- Aussiepenguin

Cool. Good talk.

Is constant pessimisim a liberal thing?

Cool. Good talk.
- j.boyd919

- j.boyd919

Pens had 22 blocked shots to Leafs 7 I beleive. All of those are included in this and those blocks make huge a difference.

Does a block always negate a scoring chance, or is it still a chance even if a defending player gets in the way?... How about if their own teamate gets in the way blocking it?

So Tanger was all over him & Murray basically sat in front of him when he flubbed his shot - or got the only shot possible, was a high danger shot?

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of 'high danger'.

That means Horny slapping the puck into the pads of a goalie with zero chance of scoring is also 'high danger'?
- Aussiepenguin

It is based on the much higher probability that it goes in.

Pens had 22 blocked shots to Leafs 7 I beleive. All of those are included in this and those blocks make huge a difference.

Does a block always negate a scoring chance, or is it still a chance even if a defending player gets in the way?... How about if their own teamate gets in the way blocking it?
- MattStrat

That heat map is unblocked shots.

Pens had 22 blocked shots to Leafs 7 I beleive. All of those are included in this and those blocks make huge a difference.

Does a block always negate a scoring chance, or is it still a chance even if a defending player gets in the way?... How about if their own teamate gets in the way blocking it?
- MattStrat

The Penguins had 6 unblocked, shots on goal from the net out to the high slot between the dots.

The Leafs had 14 unblocked, shots on goal from the net out to the high slot between the dots.

Definitely. Horny looks lost out there. Seems like every time he has the puck it's a turnover 2 seconds later
- Thorny87

I couldn't believe they didn't let him walk in the first place. This is gonna be painful to watch.

nerds

That heat map is unblocked shots.
- j.boyd919

I thought it was shot attempts.

I thought it was shot attempts.
- MattStrat

Says at the top of it “offensive zone unblocked shots heatmap”

I’ll shoot them a tweet to try and get some clarification though.

Edit: they are unblocked shot attempts per NST twitter.

It is based on the much higher probability that it goes in.
- Feds91Stammer

Well, if they count on that they won't have accurate data to formulate too much.

It actually sounds like that looking at the 2 points of view. Hence Boyd relying on high danger shot data to form his arguèrent against data that actually considers the shot quality & actual attempt. I'll take the latter every time - Tavares shot a perfect example.

Well, if they count on that they won't have accurate data to formulate too much.

It actually sounds like that looking at the 2 points of view. Hence Boyd relying on high danger shot data to form his arguèrent against data that actually considers the shot quality & actual attempt. I'll take the latter every time - Tavares shot a perfect example.
- Aussiepenguin

You actually have no idea what you’re talking about. Not a surprise though.

You actually have no idea what you’re talking about. Not a surprise though.
- Feds91Stammer

Funilly enough, I know exactly what I'm talking about. It just shows up another flaw in the analytics you guys relying on to tell you how a game was played.

The Tavares shot attempt you would say was high danger so count that as 1, meanwhile those of us that looks at the shot & analyses the environment would say it was a poor shot as he was under pressure & the goalie blocking him - so not really a high danger shot at all. Mark that as 0.

See, now the Leafs have 1 In your book, but in reality it's still 0-0 in the book of hockey - real hockey.

It's no surprise about 1 thing, you're right about that!

Says at the top of it “offensive zone unblocked shots heatmap”

I’ll shoot them a tweet to try and get some clarification though.

Edit: they are unblocked shot attempts per NST twitter.
- j.boyd919

So missed shots are here then, they'd have to be because the Pens outshot the Leafs by one shot but the Leafs map looks much... Warmer? Haha

So I asked questions about players blocking shots and if it negated scoring chances, you didn't answer and perhaps you're not sure. I honestly have no clue and that's why I'm asking.

So what about missed shots?... If a players is on a HDSC area but misses the net or hits the post (still considered missed net), is it counted as a scoring chance still?

So missed shots are here then, they'd have to be because the Pens outshot the Leafs by one shot but the Leafs map looks much... Warmer? Haha

So I asked questions about players blocking shots and if it negated scoring chances, you didn't answer and perhaps you're not sure. I honestly have no clue and that's why I'm asking.

So what about missed shots?... If a players is on a HDSC area but misses the net or hits the post (still considered missed net), is it counted as a scoring chance still?
- MattStrat

If Horny wacks at a puck 5 times into the goalies pad with zero chance of scoring in the 1 attacking sequence, îs that considered 5 HDSC?

My opinion of high danger has no merit?
- Aussiepenguin

Funilly enough, I know exactly what I'm talking about. It just shows up another flaw in the analytics you guys relying on to tell you how a game was played.

The Tavares shot attempt you would say was high danger so count that as 1, meanwhile those of us that looks at the shot & analyses the environment would say it was a poor shot as he was under pressure & the goalie blocking him - so not really a high danger shot at all. Mark that as 0.

See, now the Leafs have 1 In your book, but in reality it's still 0-0 in the book of hockey - real hockey.

It's no surprise about 1 thing, you're right about that!
- Aussiepenguin

Look at you having a different conversation with yourself.

So missed shots are here then, they'd have to be because the Pens outshot the Leafs by one shot but the Leafs map looks much... Warmer? Haha

So I asked questions about players blocking shots and if it negated scoring chances, you didn't answer and perhaps you're not sure. I honestly have no clue and that's why I'm asking.

So what about missed shots?... If a players is on a HDSC area but misses the net or hits the post (still considered missed net), is it counted as a scoring chance still?
- MattStrat

Missed shots are still considered chances. They are considered scoring chances or high danger chances based on the higher probability of a goal based on shot location.

Missed shots are still considered chances. They are considered scoring chances or high danger chances based on the higher probability of a goal based on shot location.
- Feds91Stammer

OK thanks. What about blocked shots by other team players or by your own teamates?

If Horny wacks at a puck 5 times into the goalies pad with zero chance of scoring in the 1 attacking sequence, îs that considered 5 HDSC?
- Aussiepenguin

Or is that whole scenario, becuase its the same player in same place with puck in same general area, all considered just 1 HDSC?