Not a penalty. He did it to himself.
- Unholy_Goalie

He did not physically grab the stick and hit himself. There was accidental contact which is a penalty read the (frank)inf rules.

I don’t know what your problem is but you feel the need to play devils advicote on everything Leafs. You have a serious problem and I hope for your sake it’s not because of your life experiences.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...d-nylanders-value/sn-amp/

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-rival-nhl-execs-question-maple-leafs-forward-nylanders-value/sn-amp/
- Atomic Wedgie

Alex tuch just signed for 4.35mil or something like that. 84 career games, 15 g 37pts.

But 2x 60pts years only worth 4.5mil?

He did not physically grab the stick and hit himself. There was accidental contact which is a penalty read the (frank)inf rules.

I don’t know what your problem is but you feel the need to play devils advicote on everything Leafs. You have a serious problem and I hope for your sake it’s not because of your life experiences.
- Santo_44

He obviously did it on purpose to draw a penalty, did you not see his previous post

The ref is wrong, he apologized to hyman afterwards but he made the right call not making the call.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/report-rival-nhl-execs-question-maple-leafs-forward-nylanders-value/sn-amp/
- Atomic Wedgie

No way the Leafs' GM came back with nothing new... If so, he's a laugh!

He did not physically grab the stick and hit himself. There was accidental contact which is a penalty read the (frank)inf rules.

I don’t know what your problem is but you feel the need to play devils advicote on everything Leafs. You have a serious problem and I hope for your sake it’s not because of your life experiences.
- Santo_44

Pretty much and I guess its pens fans that should be upset that Hyman didn't get an unsportsmanlike call.

Not a penalty. He did it to himself.
- Unholy_Goalie

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en...018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

From rule 60

"Players must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off."

Wasn't a penalty because it was a missed call.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

From rule 60

"Players must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off."

Wasn't a penalty because it was a missed call.
- Drapz

Lmao. It was a missed call.

It wasn't malicious by Guentz, because Hyman lifted his stick, but you still have to be in control of it. If they made a habit of not calling that, every stick lift would get you a whack in the face.

Not a penalty. He did it to himself.
- Unholy_Goalie

Your NHL knowledge is worse then Eklunds sources...to be clear that's essentially zero knowledge.

He did not physically grab the stick and hit himself. There was accidental contact which is a penalty read the (frank)inf rules.

I don’t know what your problem is but you feel the need to play devils advicote on everything Leafs. You have a serious problem and I hope for your sake it’s not because of your life experiences.
- Santo_44

There used to be a guy in my men's league who would actually do that. If you put your stick on him, he would grab it and lift it up to his face or armpit to get a call.

He was a dirty franker, but damn, his little ploy worked every franking time.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

From rule 60

"Players must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off."

Wasn't a penalty because it was a missed call.
- Drapz

UG needed help to clarify the high stick on Hyman?

Lol, explains the rest of his posts I guess.

Alex tuch just signed for 4.35mil or something like that. 84 career games, 15 g 37pts.

But 2x 60pts years only worth 4.5mil?
- burn

I don’t recall anyone thinking Willie was worth 4.5...more like 6.5

Tuch is getting paid for more then his points too I would guess.

Is it time to blow it up yet?

Sign Nylander to 5x3 bridge deal, slap him on Kadri's line and PP2 and see him crest 75 points two out of three years, and then we can talk 8M+ long-term.

Is it time to blow it up yet?

Sign Nylander to 5x3 bridge deal, slap him on Kadri's line and PP2 and see him crest 75 points two out of three years, and then we can talk 8M+ long-term.
- gravyface

trade him now.
it's not that he's not a great player - he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the core - mentality wise.
marner-matthews-marleau and kadri-tavares-rielly-gardiner-andersen are part of the true core; nylander just seems a bit of an outsider.. even if leafs would lose slightly in a trade on an individual level, making a good trade might make the team better overall.
not trying to win individual trophies here; only goal is the SC.

trade him now.
it's not that he's not a great player - he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the core - mentality wise.
marner-matthews-marleau and kadri-tavares-rielly-gardiner-andersen are part of the true core; nylander just seems a bit of an outsider.. even if leafs would lose slightly in a trade on an individual level, making a good trade might make the team better overall.
not trying to win individual trophies here; only goal is the SC.
- plantheparade

No

trade him now.
it's not that he's not a great player - he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the core - mentality wise.
marner-matthews-marleau and kadri-tavares-rielly-gardiner-andersen are part of the true core; nylander just seems a bit of an outsider.. even if leafs would lose slightly in a trade on an individual level, making a good trade might make the team better overall.
not trying to win individual trophies here; only goal is the SC.
- plantheparade

Without him being signed, he would just be another team's headache and we wouldn't get fair value for him. The kid wants to play here, so if he gets moved to like CAR, he's really going to stand pat on his contract demands, maybe even hold out all year.

No team wants that risk.

Without him being signed, he would just be another team's headache and we wouldn't get fair value for him. The kid wants to play here, so if he gets moved to like CAR, he's really going to stand pat on his contract demands, maybe even hold out all year.

No team wants that risk.
- gravyface

i understand that.
if carolina wants to pay the 7.25mln/7y, leafs sign him for that and directly trade him.

this whole negotiation is really about marner and matthews, and way less about nylander.

Without him being signed, he would just be another team's headache and we wouldn't get fair value for him. The kid wants to play here, so if he gets moved to like CAR, he's really going to stand pat on his contract demands, maybe even hold out all year.

No team wants that risk.
- gravyface

My guess is that if he were to get traded it would be a sign and trade or the other team would be allowed to negotiate and agree to a deal before a trade goes down. Which would increase his value.

My guess is that if he were to get traded it would be a sign and trade or the other team would be allowed to negotiate and agree to a deal before a trade goes down. Which would increase his value.
- systemtool

At what point do you begin to broach that subject though? Start talking trade soon after you've publicly stated you wouldn't... that's all kinds of bad mojo there.

Maybe by mid-November, if the Leafs aren't prepared to let an asset sit for a year.

I'd honestly rather not have Nylander for the year than overpay him long-term, giving Marner and Matthews even more contract leverage. If he wants to sit, and we feel we don't have enough depth on the wing, there are trades to be had.

Right now though, I think our forward group is good enough offensively, particularly since key contributors like Kadri and Johnsson haven't got anything going yet; still untapped resources in our top 9 (even 12, if you think Leivo can pot 10-15 playing 4th line minutes).

My guess is that if he were to get traded it would be a sign and trade or the other team would be allowed to negotiate and agree to a deal before a trade goes down. Which would increase his value.
- systemtool

other teams can already negotiate with Nylander so any trade Dubas might consider would only be with a team that already knows what they can expect in terms of a contract there.

Nylander could cockblock everything by telling every other team he won't sign, but if his rights get traded, all that means is the other team has the same power the Leafs do.

Let the (frank)er sit this year and tell him to re-think his agent and his father because things aren't getting better next year.

At what point do you begin to broach that subject though? Start talking trade soon after you've publicly stated you wouldn't... that's all kinds of bad mojo there.

Maybe by mid-November, if the Leafs aren't prepared to let an asset sit for a year.

I'd honestly rather not have Nylander for the year than overpay him long-term, giving Marner and Matthews even more contract leverage. If he wants to sit, and we feel we don't have enough depth on the wing, there are trades to be had.

Right now though, I think our forward group is good enough offensively, particularly since key contributors like Kadri and Johnsson haven't got anything going yet; still untapped resources in our top 9 (even 12, if you think Leivo can pot 10-15 playing 4th line minutes).
- gravyface

Nylander helps the Leafs, but I don't see them winning a cup this year anyway. Core is still too young, especially when compared to the other contending teams. The game against Pittsburgh also showed, once again, that they struggle in tight checking affairs when the refs put away the whistle.

So, yeah, let him sit.

Tell him about 5 minutes to midnight on November 30th that next year's offers are going down by 2 million.

but I don't see them winning a cup this year anyway. Core is still too young
- Aetherial

I wouldn't be that pessimistic because of a single game, you had a descent start into the season with a few nice surprises (Rielly, Kapanen, ...), and you will definitely get your shoot - someday the Bruins must fall.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

From rule 60

"Players must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off."

Wasn't a penalty because it was a missed call.
- Drapz

Which would be a penalty if Guentzel had accidentally hit him in the face without Hyman touching his stick. But Hyman hit his stick into his own face. Guentzel had zero time to react or control his stick. He was looking at the puck, waiting for a pass with his stick at his waist and Hyman lifted it into his own face. Guentzel did nothing wrong. It was an accident and it was not a penalty.

Which would be a penalty if Guentzel had accidentally hit him in the face without Hyman touching his stick. But Hyman hit his stick into his own face. Guentzel had zero time to react or control his stick. He was looking at the puck, waiting for a pass with his stick at his waist and Hyman lifted it into his own face. Guentzel did nothing wrong. It was an accident and it was not a penalty.
- Unholy_Goalie

You are wrong.