You are wrong.
- Aetherial

Nope. Not a penalty.

Nylander helps the Leafs, but I don't see them winning a cup this year anyway. Core is still too young, especially when compared to the other contending teams. The game against Pittsburgh also showed, once again, that they struggle in tight checking affairs when the refs put away the whistle.

So, yeah, let him sit.

Tell him about 5 minutes to midnight on November 30th that next year's offers are going down by 2 million.
- Aetherial

They struggled getting the puck out of their end and into the Pens end with control, two things Nylander does better than any other forward.

If they are stuck between $6.5 and $7 or 7.1, just pay him and get him back with Matthews. The difference is not going to matter.

trade him now.
it's not that he's not a great player - he just doesn't fit in with the rest of the core - mentality wise.
marner-matthews-marleau and kadri-tavares-rielly-gardiner-andersen are part of the true core; nylander just seems a bit of an outsider.. even if leafs would lose slightly in a trade on an individual level, making a good trade might make the team better overall.
not trying to win individual trophies here; only goal is the SC.
- plantheparade

I'm less worried about how Nylander fits with the rest of the core and am more concerned with how his salary fits moving forward.

Can the Leafs afford 4 forwards earning a combined 40mil a season? Sure they could but it means other areas of the team are going to suffer tremendously...

They struggled getting the puck out of their end and into the Pens end with control, two things Nylander does better than any other forward.

If they are stuck between $6.5 and $7 or 7.1, just pay him and get him back with Matthews. The difference is not going to matter.
- Canada Cup

It's 6.5 vs. 8 million. If he'd come down to 7, they'd probably already have a deal by now.

You are wrong.
- Aetherial

I'm less worried about how Nylander fits with the rest of the core and am more concerned with how his salary fits moving forward.

Can the Leafs afford 4 forwards earning a combined 40mil a season? Sure they could but it means other areas of the team are going to suffer tremendously...
- mjones242

Probably not if they expect to get a legit #1 RHD at some point.

They struggled getting the puck out of their end and into the Pens end with control, two things Nylander does better than any other forward.

If they are stuck between $6.5 and $7 or 7.1, just pay him and get him back with Matthews. The difference is not going to matter.
- Canada Cup

You're right about one thing, none of this matters.

Nylander will not be a Leaf long term. They will not be able to afford him, even at a reasonable market value. Marner and Matthews will be offer-sheeted on July 1 if the Leafs let it get that far. They are going to get paid, large.

You're right about one thing, none of this matters.

Nylander will not be a Leaf long term. They will not be able to afford him, even at a reasonable market value. Marner and Matthews will be offer-sheeted on July 1 if the Leafs let it get that far. They are going to get paid, large.
- Aetherial

I've seen this opinion a few times here, and I think it might be a little paranoid by the leafs fans. Are there many teams in a position to give up the picks and have the cap space to contend by doing so?

MAYBE arizona would, but a lot would need to go right, and when does it ever go right for them.

You're right about one thing, none of this matters.

Nylander will not be a Leaf long term. They will not be able to afford him, even at a reasonable market value. Marner and Matthews will be offer-sheeted on July 1 if the Leafs let it get that far. They are going to get paid, large.
- Aetherial

I can't imagine a universe in which the Leafs allow Matthews and Marner to get to July 1st without a contract.

Matthews = 12.5x8
Marner = 9x8

Having said that, is there a team out there who tries to offer sheet Marner? Who would be willing to lose 4 1st round picks and pay in excess of 9M a season for him? Matthews, absolutely - Arizona will be all over that (perhaps Montreal?) - but Marner? I dunno...

I've seen this opinion a few times here, and I think it might be a little paranoid by the leafs fans. Are there many teams in a position to give up the picks and have the cap space to contend by doing so?

MAYBE arizona would, but a lot would need to go right, and when does it ever go right for them.
- david22

I will give you Marner is a question, but if he has a monster season there is danger there.

Matthews is zero question, and it will be a horrendous match for the Leafs.

I will give you Marner is a question, but if he has a monster season there is danger there.

Matthews is zero question, and it will be a horrendous match for the Leafs.
- Aetherial

I can’t see giving up four firsts though and I don’t see either of them signing the offer sheet unless it was way more than the Leafs were going to pay.

I think the key is Marleau. Assume Gardiner is replaced by Liljegren for a $3M saving, can they make things work with Marleau there?

I can't imagine a universe in which the Leafs allow Matthews and Marner to get to July 1st without a contract.

Matthews = 12.5x8
Marner = 9x8

Having said that, is there a team out there who tries to offer sheet Marner? Who would be willing to lose 4 1st round picks and pay in excess of 9M a season for him? Matthews, absolutely - Arizona will be all over that (perhaps Montreal?) - but Marner? I dunno...
- mjones242

Matthews should not get the same money McDavid is getting. McDavid won multiple awards in his 2nd season and won a playoff round, all while on a team that is total poop around him. Matthews is off to a really hot start but he's not as good as McDavid nor should he be paid like McDavid.

Marner, same story, I really like him, at times he's as good as Matthews but more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, but 9 million for him on his 2nd contract is ridiculous. Kucherov just scored 100 points and he's not even making 9 million.

Matthews at 11 (although still a tad high) and Marner at 7.5/8 million makes more sense.

You're right about one thing, none of this matters.

Nylander will not be a Leaf long term. They will not be able to afford him, even at a reasonable market value. Marner and Matthews will be offer-sheeted on July 1 if the Leafs let it get that far. They are going to get paid, large.
- Aetherial

The offer sheet rules is made to make sure it doesn't happen to these kinda players.

First of all this paragraph:
"The AAV for an offer sheet, which determines the compensation required, is derived by dividing the total contract value amount by the lesser of:
number of years offered, or
five (5) years"

https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator

Which would be a penalty if Guentzel had accidentally hit him in the face without Hyman touching his stick. But Hyman hit his stick into his own face. Guentzel had zero time to react or control his stick. He was looking at the puck, waiting for a pass with his stick at his waist and Hyman lifted it into his own face. Guentzel did nothing wrong. It was an accident and it was not a penalty.
- Unholy_Goalie

"Players must be in control and responsible for their own stick"

What part don't you understand in the rule???

#permabanUG

#theguyisalwaysright

#TavareswillnevercometoTorontobecausetaxes

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My guess is that if he were to get traded it would be a sign and trade or the other team would be allowed to negotiate and agree to a deal before a trade goes down. Which would increase his value.
- systemtool

Other teams can negotiate with him. Monoermission needed, he is an Free Agent.
They can even sign him via offer sheet but have to give compensation and risk being
Matched.
So any team wanting a sign and trade is already free to discuss that with his camp and then approach the leafs about a deal.

new blog everyone

I will give you Marner is a question, but if he has a monster season there is danger there.

Matthews is zero question, and it will be a horrendous match for the Leafs.
- Aetherial

Matthews has to want to do it too you know; go to a worse team who is giving away 1st rounders and he has already bought into playing wit JT. The leafs would match, so it wouldn’t work and he’s be in the leafs with worse cap issues because he tried the offer sheet route. Makes no sense for him. He’s so better if he wanted to play in Arizona at some point, to sign 5 years here making cup runs and then go to Arizona as an UFA when they have used the four first rounders to get more good young
Players to play with him.

Other teams can negotiate with him. Ni permission needed, he is an Free Agent.
They can even sign him via offer sheet but have to give compensation and risk being
Matched.
So any team wanting a sign and trade is already free to discuss that with his camp and then approach the leafs about a deal.
- Dr. Leaf

Nope. Not a penalty.
- Unholy_Goalie

The refs already made you look like a twat... Now you're just drowning in your own kunt juice...

I don’t recall anyone thinking Willie was worth 4.5...more like 6.5

Tuch is getting paid for more then his points too I would guess.
- Garnie

The article posted in the post I responded to.


Kypreos also said he was told there was a four-year contract offer on the table that is “well under $20 million in total” meaning Nylander’s proposed salary cap hit would fall somewhere between $4 million and $5 million annually.

You are wrong.
- Aetherial

The rule book was posted earlier, yet he still posting