Since you live for pathetic ineptness and losses of the teams you follow, you should be on a Giants forum 24/7


- KINGKENZO

I would honestly not be surprised if this is exactly what Plind looks like in real life

Since you live for pathetic ineptness and losses of the teams you follow, you should be on a Giants forum 24/7


- KINGKENZO

Arguing the hall of fame merits of Eli Manning?

I would honestly not be surprised if this is exactly what Plind looks like in real life
- ajw12

Carl is the best.....im ashamed to compare him with Plind

He will certainly get fired, all coaches do at some point. With only one year left on his deal, he probably is one extended slump away from getting the axe. Even if he makes it through the season, if they miss the playoffs or go down easily in the first round, he’s gone.
- BiggE

Agree with this. I think even if theyre stuggling around 500 at Thanksgiving he might be gone before Christmas. Team needs to take a step. Theyve had some bad luck with injuries but also have shown critical flaws that need improvement. Enough of the status quo.

How about this as a dream after injuries...

Giroux-Couturier-JvR
Laughton-Patrick-Voracek
Konecny-Vorobyev-Simmonds
Lindblom-Weal-Raffl

NAK

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Gudas
Hagg-Myers

MacDonald

Hart
Elliott

Update: But what happened to the other players? Mini golf incident involving Weise, Lehtera, Folin and Neuvirth.
- Glak18

If JVR can play the right side effectively, I’d be fine with this.

So Weise and Lehtera are good hockey players and Weal is not, got it.

Also, that highlighted line above has to be a joke right?
- ajw12

I didnt say they were good, I said they have played well of late. And no that line is not a joke. Do me a favour, look up every teams 4th line and tell me how many goals they scored. I went through 3 of the top teams in the league and they each had 1 measly goal. Clearly not much better than Flyers 0 goals.

The strategy and style that the Flyers employ has been used successfully by many teams. A more aggressive strategy requires the same thing. Execution. They have had positioning issues in this system but we shouldn't expect the same if they are out and more aggressive on pressuring the puck?

If you actually looked at it and break it down rather than just guessing and parroting an opinion, you'd see what is actually happening.
- MJL

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?
- Mordecai

Hope the other team keeps shooting wide?

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?
- Mordecai

Stand back and wave your stick back and forth. I think the idea is to create a strong enough gust of wind to blow the puck away from the carrier, but they obviously aren't swinging hard enough. Lappy needs to show them how to swing with more perseverance and dedication.

I didnt say they were good, I said they have played well of late. And no that line is not a joke. Do me a favour, look up every teams 4th line and tell me how many goals they scored. I went through 3 of the top teams in the league and they each had 1 measly goal. Clearly not much better than Flyers 0 goals.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The first one was the Ducks and their 4th line is comprised of three very skilled rookies who have scored 5 goals.

This thought that the 4th line should be comprised of goons or strictly defensive forwards is ridiculous. The NHL is evolving into a much faster league and the 4th lines of a lot of teams are now evolving with the NHL.

To say the 4th line is just there to not get scored on and give the other three lines a rest is asinine. If a team has the ability to roll out 4 lines with scoring potential why wouldn't they?

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?
- Mordecai

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trust the professionals

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?
- Mordecai

Almost every coach gets fired eventually. If the Flyers can fire a Cup winner like Laviolette, they can certainly fire a college coach with a year and change left on his deal.
- Feanor

Speaking of Lavy, (and this may be super late) but did you see the highlights of him being interviewed after one of the games this past weekend? He was wearing a bull's head.

Some bet he lost with this team.

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trust the professionals
- Nucker101

I hear you on that. I just think they could be swapping in another issue that compounds the fundamental issues they have. That's really the point and the same point the coaches see. The breakdowns are not due to system or strategy issues. The breakdowns are due to player mistakes.
- MJL

The other side of it, now that we are purely talking strategy and structure, isn't it the coaches responsibility to utilize what players he has to make something work.

If I am a coach and I have a plan, I tell my players the plan/strategy I want from them and tell them to do it. The players don't or can't execute...shouldn't I find another way that my players can execute?

It is kind of the whole purpose of a coach, to utilize the players they have to the best of their abilities. The purpose of the GM is to get the players needed to execute what the coach wants to do. So if players don't execute...what does that mean?

If JVR can play the right side effectively, I’d be fine with this.
- BiggE

JvR played right side a lot for Toronto, especially on the PP.

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?
- Mordecai

The FLyers have used a variety of neutral zone forechecks on the PK that has changes seemingly due to the opponent. Examples are same side pressure and tandem pressure. It's situational also depending on the situation. Their most common defensive zone strategy has been the triangle plus 1.

what exactly is the Flyers strategy and style?
- Mordecai

The first one was the Ducks and their 4th line is comprised of three very skilled rookies who have scored 5 goals.

This thought that the 4th line should be comprised of goons or strictly defensive forwards is ridiculous. The NHL is evolving into a much faster league and the 4th lines of a lot of teams are now evolving with the NHL.

To say the 4th line is just there to not get scored on and give the other three lines a rest is asinine. If a team has the ability to roll out 4 lines with scoring potential why wouldn't they?
- ajw12

Of course a team hopes to get a 4th line that can chip in some offense but what you can't have is a 4th line that may have some skill and scoring potential, but is a sieve in it's own end.

A coach has to have options for situational play. Couturier's defensive zone starts are the highest on the team

The other side of it, now that we are purely talking strategy and structure, isn't it the coaches responsibility to utilize what players he has to make something work.

If I am a coach and I have a plan, I tell my players the plan/strategy I want from them and tell them to do it. The players don't or can't execute...shouldn't I find another way that my players can execute?

It is kind of the whole purpose of a coach, to utilize the players they have to the best of their abilities. The purpose of the GM is to get the players needed to execute what the coach wants to do. So if players don't execute...what does that mean?
- Glak18

When you look at the issues plaguing the Flyers on the PK, none of it is something that any NHL player shouldn't be able to execute. I know you probably don't want to take the time, but to look at the video review of the goals scored against on the PK, it's astounding. It's simple stuff really! Basic fundamental hockey. The Flyers PK strategy is time proven system and one that has been used by many, many teams. The system is not the issue.

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- Nucker101

The success speaks for itself after all.

When you look at the issues plaguing the Flyers on the PK, none of it is something that any NHL player shouldn't be able to execute. I know you probably don't want to take the time, but to look at the video review of the goals scored against on the PK, it's astounding. It's simple stuff really! Basic fundamental hockey. The Flyers PK strategy is time proven system and one that has been used by many, many teams. The system is not the issue.
- MJL

Just a thought: If the players are constantly making the same mistakes over and over again on the PK, would it not be a reasonable assumption to think that the PK coach is simply not getting through to them?

If true, perhaps changing the PK coach would be a reasonable course of action. It’s not necessarily about the specifics of Lappy’s strategy. Rather it’s about getting a new voice in the room, and sending a message to the players. From everything I’ve read, Lappy is well liked and well respected by the players. Maybe realizing that their failures cost him his job will cause these guys to work harder and cut out the bonehead mistakes under the new PK coach.

Just about every coach eventually gets fired. It’s often not about the particular coach’s philosophy or system. It’s about sending a message to the players, and, whether fair or not, it’s about the reality that it’s a lot easier to replace a coach than it is to replace a bunch of players mid season.

Hak is a good hockey coach, as are guys like Ken Hitchcock, Alain Vigneault and nearly every other guy that coaches in the NHL. You simply don’t get to the NHL if you’re a bad coach. But, they all get fired eventually. It’s simply the nature of the beast.

The FLyers have used a variety of neutral zone forechecks on the PK that has changes seemingly due to the opponent. Examples are same side pressure and tandem pressure. It's situational also depending on the situation. Their most common defensive zone strategy has been the triangle plus 1.
- MJL

I would be interested to know if you counted how many failed clears they had? We see every time they do fail to clear the puck they end up out of position and scrambling to get back in to some sort of order.

Just a thought: If the players are constantly making the same mistakes over and over again on the PK, would it not be a reasonable assumption to think that the PK coach is simply not getting through to them?

If true, perhaps changing the PK coach would be a reasonable course of action. It’s not necessarily about the specifics of Lappy’s strategy. Rather it’s about getting a new voice in the room, and sending a message to the players. From everything I’ve read, Lappy is well liked and well respected by the players. Maybe realizing that their failures cost him his job will cause these guys to work harder and cut out the bonehead mistakes under the new PK coach.

Just about every coach eventually gets fired. It’s often not about the particular coach’s philosophy or system. It’s about sending a message to the players, and, whether fair or not, it’s about the reality that it’s a lot easier to replace a coach than it is to replace a bunch of players mid season.

Hak is a good hockey coach, as are guys like Ken Hitchcock, Alain Vigneault and nearly every other guy that coaches in the NHL. You simply don’t get to the NHL if you’re a bad coach. But, they all get fired eventually. It’s simply the nature of the beast.
- BiggE

There is absolutely a complacency aspect to it. The PK has been bottom of the league trash for a number of years now and neither the players, coach or strategy has changed. It's unacceptable.

Just a thought: If the players are constantly making the same mistakes over and over again on the PK, would it not be a reasonable assumption to think that the PK coach is simply not getting through to them?


- BiggE

Here is the list of players that have committed errors on the Pk that have directly contributed to goals scored.

Hagg
Provorov
Sanheim
Lindblom
Couturier
Weise
Laughton

The mistakes that have been made are basic fundamentals such as not moving your feet and instead reaching to defend, poor stick positioning, failed clears.

As I posted the other day, Dale Weise is the back side forward protecting the back door in the NJ game. He's a RH shot which makes it tougher but his stick is facing towards center ice out of the passing lane. Cross ice pass for a one time goal due to a passing lane created by poor fundamentals. How much can a coach do there. Show video and practice and tell him hey Dale, your stick needs to be in the passing lane.

If true, perhaps changing the PK coach would be a reasonable course of action. It’s not necessarily about the specifics of Lappy’s strategy. Rather it’s about getting a new voice in the room, and sending a message to the players. From everything I’ve read, Lappy is well liked and well respected by the players. Maybe realizing that their failures cost him his job will cause these guys to work harder and cut out the bonehead mistakes under the new PK coach.

Just about every coach eventually gets fired. It’s often not about the particular coach’s philosophy or system. It’s about sending a message to the players, and, whether fair or not, it’s about the reality that it’s a lot easier to replace a coach than it is to replace a bunch of players mid season.

Hak is a good hockey coach, as are guys like Ken Hitchcock, Alain Vigneault and nearly every other guy that coaches in the NHL. You simply don’t get to the NHL if you’re a bad coach. But, they all get fired eventually. It’s simply the nature of the beast.
- BiggE

It's not an unreasonable course to suggest changing assistant coaches. I just dont think that it's a guarantee to fix it.

As far as the head coach. I don't think we're there yet and I don't see "every coach gets fired eventually" as reason to do so.