I’m also fine getting them up here, but not at the expense of a line posting 60% possession on a nightly basis.

Thompson and Rodrigues would be first to get the boot as of today
- sbroads24

We'll see where we are in 10 games, if tonight was an aberration from Thompson's play so far, then maybe he needs to go down and play 20 minutes a night.

Rodrigues has 4 points even despite his ridiculous 75% D-Zone start rate. And he's only -1.1Rel. And he only gets 13:52 of ice time.

He hasn’t been good this year outside of one game. He was awful a few games ago and doesn’t have a goal yet.

I like him but if we’re gonna hold players to the standards of having to “produce”, he should be in that conversation
- sbroads24

You're moving the goal posts and reverting to "what aboutisms"

22 and 28 are bums

71's PPG stats show the difference

We'll see where we are in 10 games, if tonight was an aberration from Thompson's play so far, then maybe he needs to go down and play 20 minutes a night.

Rodrigues has 4 points even despite his ridiculous 75% D-Zone start rate. And he's only -1.1Rel. And he only gets 13:52 of ice time.
- Wetbandit1

1 at EV.

He’s basically doing the exact same thing as 28 and 22 but with not as good posesssion Numbers.

Thompson. 4 I guess.
- sbroads24

IDK, he played 41 games last year. He's still raw though, for sure.

You're moving the goal posts and reverting to "what aboutisms"

22 and 28 are bums

71's PPG stats show the difference
- jcragcrumple

Not this year. When/if they revert to being bums. Then your point hold water.

IDK, he played 41 games last year. He's still raw though, for sure.
- Wetbandit1

Forgot he played that much

Not this year. When/if they revert to being bums. Then your point hold water.
- sbroads24

If you're good with 4 goals per year from 22, and 7 per year from 28, then they're great. I'd like at least chance that we get 10+ from a 4th liner. Derek Grant had almost 15 last year.

He had 3 less 5v5 points than ROR last year in 650 less minutes. And he was actually even in Corsi and a +3.7Rel. Had 25 points in 48 games(43 point pace) while only playing 13:56 a night. And he's better than average defensively.
- Wetbandit1

I think you just illustrated my point.

He can handle defensive minutes and kill penalties. A lot of the other guys being talked about can't (Thompson, Olofsson, Nylander, etc.)

1 at EV.

He’s basically doing the exact same thing as 28 and 22 but with not as good posesssion Numbers.
- sbroads24

Yeah, because he rarely plays in the O-Zone.

Larsson is 47.8CF% -10Rel%, Girgensons 47.3 -2, Rodrigues 48.0 -1.1. So Rodrigues has better numbers actually, maybe it's because he gets another 2-3% more O-Zone stats than those other 2.

If you're good with 4 goals per year from 22, and 7 per year from 28, then they're great. I'd like at least chance that we get 10+ from a 4th liner. Derek Grant had almost 15 last year.
- jcragcrumple

Derek Grant had an 18.5% shooting percentage after going 0% for his whole career before that.

He literally had 0 goals in 90 something games before last year. That’s really the example you want to use ?

He hasn’t been good this year outside of one game. He was awful a few games ago and doesn’t have a goal yet.

I like him but if we’re gonna hold players to the standards of having to “produce”, he should be in that conversation
- sbroads24

We shouldn't be at all after 11 games, that's ludicrous.

Yeah, because he rarely plays in the O-Zone.

Larsson is 47.8CF% -10Rel%, Girgensons 47.3 -2, Rodrigues 48.0 -1.1. So Rodrigues has better numbers actually, maybe it's because he gets another 2-3% more O-Zone stats than those other 2.
- Wetbandit1

Where you getting those from?

Career

Derek Grant 5.7 goals per 82

Zemgus Girgensons 9.8 goals per 82

Girgensons is literally the embodiment of s good 4th liner

Derek Grant had an 18.5% shooting percentage after going 0% for his whole career before that.

He literally had 0 goals in 90 something games before last year. That’s really the example you want to use ?
- sbroads24

Wouldn't you rather the sabres cycle through 4th liners and potentially hit someone while he's hot than settle on scrubs who score around 5 goals?

Girgensons is literally the embodiment of
- sbroads24

Mediocre

Wouldn't you rather the sabres cycle through 4th liners and potentially hit someone while he's hot than settle on scrubs who score around 5 goals?
- jcragcrumple

You quite possibly could be the only person on the planet unhappy with that line right now.

You quite possibly could be the only person on the planet unhappy with that line right now.
- sbroads24

I loved 28-71-29

22 and 28 together is death

Wouldn't you rather the sabres cycle through 4th liners and potentially hit someone while he's hot than settle on scrubs who score around 5 goals?
- jcragcrumple

Toronto’s 4th line has combined for 2 goals

I loved 28-71-29

22 and 28 together is death
- jcragcrumple

Okie dokie.

Bruins 4th line- 2 goals

Carolina 4th line - 2 goals

I’m getting carpal tunnel defending Zemgus Girgensons.

Time for bed

Where you getting those from?
- sbroads24

Hockey Reference. I have a feeling the -10 for Larsson is just a typo though. But maybe not, he's only played 4 games(before tonight).

I’m getting carpal tunnel defending Zemgus Girgensons.

Time for bed
- sbroads24

7/8 points in the last for games. I'm probably too critical