Team shooting % and team save percentage. Based on even strength team percentages. Nothing to do with personal shooting %. They don't vary that much unless you have a very good or very bad year.

According to their theory, you should be around 100% so a player who hits above that is just lucky and a player below that isn't.

Sutter was a +8 last season and a -8 so far this season. Going to tell me that's not the same thing as being 8 points less in oiSV.

Clearly it says that Sutter 5v5 is losing the battle. Last year he was winning.
- manvanfan

My bad, you are correct it is on ice Shooting%, but yes what I highlighted is exactly what I'm saying, it's a reflection of luck. Read a bit about, there have been many studies showing this.

You referencing +/- doesn't add any credibility especially when we are still talking about 13 games.

I think AV is still being paid 5 mil a year by NYR . I don't think he has any interest in a 2 mil job as interim coach. He has also been rumored to be linked to Seattle
- VANTEL

If Gillis is their GM it’s goint to be interesting to see if he’d hire AV or Stevens if both are available.

Stevens was apparently his guy after AV got canned but Aqua wanted Torts

If Gillis is their GM it’s goint to be interesting to see if he’d hire AV or Stevens if both are available.

Stevens was apparently his guy after AV got canned but Aqua wanted Torts
- Nucker101

I hope Gillis is awarded the position , then we would know where to get a steady supply of 2nd round picks . I wonder if we can get Keith Carney and Ballard back to quench his thirst .

I hope Gillis is awarded the position , then we would know where to get a steady supply of 2nd round picks . I wonder if we can get Keith Carney and Ballard back to quench his thirst .

- VANTEL

Carney was a Nonis special


Gillis’ (frank) ups were Ballard/Booth/Roy

Carney was a Nonis special


Gillis’ (frank) ups were Ballard/Booth/Roy
- Nucker101

Bernier cost a 2nd and 3rd, your favourite defenseman Andrew Alberts cost a 3rd, neither of them were very good trades either.

Carney was a Nonis special


Gillis’ (frank) ups were Ballard/Booth/Roy
- Nucker101

Can Canucks resign Hutton at a 10 % discount? I think there is a clause that you can reduce the contract by 10 % if they had a bad year. Last year could qualify as a bad year. Hutton at 2.5 per sounds better than 3.1 per?

Bernier cost a 2nd and 3rd, your favourite defenseman Andrew Alberts cost a 3rd, neither of them were very good trades either.
- Reubenkincade

Yeah Gillis trades sort of suck . He got lucky once with Ehrhoff

Bernier cost a 2nd and 3rd, your favourite defenseman Andrew Alberts cost a 3rd, neither of them were very good trades either.
- Reubenkincade

True. But I saw the logic in the Bernier, Booth and Ballard trades.

Roy and Alberts not so much

Can Canucks resign Hutton at a 10 % discount? I think there is a clause that you can reduce the contract by 10 % if they had a bad year. Last year could qualify as a bad year. Hutton at 2.5 per sounds better than 3.1 per?
- VANTEL

Unless the team plans to spend to the cap next year, who cares?

Yeah Gillis trades sort of suck . He got lucky once with Ehrhoff
- VANTEL

Lappy/Higgins helped the bottom 6 during the cup run


But yeah, trades and drafting were bad overall, he was better with UFA’s.

Unless the team plans to spend to the cap next year, who cares?
- Nucker101

If you can sign him 3 x 2.5 I care. You have 30 plus mil next year you can maybe make a big move instead of the bring the same crew back

True. But I saw the logic in the Bernier, Booth and Ballard trades.

Roy and Alberts not so much
- Nucker101

At the time I seen the logic for the Gudbranson trade, the Virtanen pick and several other moves that Benning has made (and still do).
No GM is going to make all the right moves, if they succeed on 50 % of them they have done a good job
IMO.

If you can sign him 3 x 2.5 I care. You have 30 plus mil next year you can maybe make a big move instead of the bring the same crew back
- VANTEL

Signing him for 3 years has nothing to do with RFA qualifying offers though

Actually, I find it very shocking, his in-game decisions were head-shaking for the most part. His one good season was just a product of the Sedins last hurrah.
- Pacificgem

Can't get there. That actually was not a PO team but somehow he managed to get them in. I get it...many on here don't like WD for his inability to adapt on the fly and some other cases but most new coaches need time to learn Green included. But was three years the right sample size given the roster he was given to work with in his final two seasons? A lot of times coaches and players alike just aren't given the chance to grow properly because of the impatience of the fanbase/ownership/media and what have you. I'm not saying keeping him was the right overall choice , but considering he never had a Pettersson to work with and 2/3rd AHL rosters his final two seasons people were expecting way too much IMO. But it is what it is.

At the time I seen the logic for the Gudbranson trade, the Virtanen pick and several other moves that Benning has made (and still do).
No GM is going to make all the right moves, if they succeed on 50 % of them they have done a good job
IMO.
- Reubenkincade

Ditto with Virtanen. Didn’t agree with trading picks during the EG deal

You’re right though, we all remember the times we were right about a player, but we have shorter memories about being wrong

At the time I seen the logic for the Gudbranson trade, the Virtanen pick and several other moves that Benning has made (and still do).
No GM is going to make all the right moves, if they succeed on 50 % of them they have done a good job
IMO.
- Reubenkincade

Those moves were when we had 0 toughness.

Benning also made other trades for players at the start seeing the club had no players age 22-27 . When Benning first entered the team locker room and found all the boys looking at pamphlets from the Shady Rest retirement home , he thought he had to jump right on it.

Those moves were when we had 0 toughness.

Benning also made other trades for players at the start seeing the club had no players age 22-27 . When Benning first entered the team locker room and found all the boys looking at pamphlets from the Shady Rest retirement home , he thought he had to jump right on it.
- VANTEL

Literally, laughed out loud.

My bad, you are correct it is on ice Shooting%, but yes what I highlighted is exactly what I'm saying, it's a reflection of luck. Read a bit about, there have been many studies showing this.

You referencing +/- doesn't add any credibility especially when we are still talking about 13 games.
- belcherbd

So why would anybody keep track of daily data? Obviously the stats are going to change throughout the season. Right now though, so far this year, currently as this season plays out Sutter is at his career oiSH% and about 7% points below his oiSV%

A team that would trade for him tomorrow is going probably going to take a peek at his current numbers. Think "oh maybe he is better defensively then he has been this season" Or if his oiSH% was about 5% above where it normally is that he isn't going to sustain it.

Do you see the point of having stats tracked now?

Ditto with Virtanen. Didn’t agree with trading picks during the EG deal

You’re right though, we all remember the times we were right about a player, but we have shorter memories about being wrong
- Nucker101

I have a very short memory when I am wrong, as it is just about always.😀

Stats people call plus/minus the most useless stat in hockey, yet many of these modern stats actually try measuring luck...how (frank)en ridiculous.😁
- Reubenkincade

I am not a analytics nerd but I use stats in context. Stats don't tell the entire story but they paint enough of a picture that you could make accurate assumptions. Corsi is the only stat that drives me bonkers. I don't care about shots. Shots mean nothing. Goals mean something. Goals win games. Any stat that has to do with goals is good.

I am not a analytics nerd but I use stats in context. Stats don't tell the entire story but they paint enough of a picture that you could make accurate assumptions. Corsi is the only stat that drives me bonkers. I don't care about shots. Shots mean nothing. Goals mean something. Goals win games. Any stat that has to do with goals is good.
- manvanfan

So you do like plus/minus stats.

I am not a analytics nerd but I use stats in context. Stats don't tell the entire story but they paint enough of a picture that you could make accurate assumptions. Corsi is the only stat that drives me bonkers. I don't care about shots. Shots mean nothing. Goals mean something. Goals win games. Any stat that has to do with goals is good.
- manvanfan

Interesting.

Ditto with Virtanen. Didn’t agree with trading picks during the EG deal

You’re right though, we all remember the times we were right about a player, but we have shorter memories about being wrong
- Nucker101

I was wrong on Stukel, Mckenzie, Candella.

I wanted Scott Laughton instead of Brendan Gaunce. That pick wouldn't have been much better.

I've tried to improve the process over the years.

So you do like plus/minus stats.
- Reubenkincade

Generally it's a stat I look at more for junior players then NHL players though.

So you do like plus/minus stats.
- Reubenkincade

I don't like +/- because how many times does a guy just jump on the ice and not even in the play yet and the other team scores

Shots can come from the blue line or center ice and still be awarded a shot.

I do like stats on scoring chances and I don't really need stats for that seeing I have eyes.