I don't like +/- because how many times does a guy just jump on the ice and not even in the play yet and the other team scores

Shots can come from the blue line or center ice and still be awarded a shot.

I do like stats on scoring chances and I don't really need stats for that seeing I have eyes.
- VANTEL

I don't know an exact number but how many times in an 82 games season do you think that would really happen to a player and not happen the other way at the same time. In the end I bet the stat would have much more then a 3-5 either way at max.

I don't know an exact number but how many times in an 82 games season do you think that would really happen to a player and not happen the other way at the same time. In the end I bet the stat would have much more then a 3-5 either way at max.
- manvanfan

The obvious ones where a player jumps on and skates 10 feet probably about 5 times a year . The ones where they skate 10 to 50 feet maybe another 5-7 times

I don't like +/- because how many times does a guy just jump on the ice and not even in the play yet and the other team scores

Shots can come from the blue line or center ice and still be awarded a shot.

I do like stats on scoring chances and I don't really need stats for that seeing I have eyes.
- VANTEL

I remember the Sedin years well.
In general I like a plus minus more for a defenseman. I am more into a stat that tracks what, I have usually called an event, or a significant play that may influence that gàme. We did our own tracking as teenagers about 40 years ago, blows the doors off the poop they call stats nowadays.
But yeah, I prefer the good old eyetest.

The obvious ones where a player jumps on and skates 10 feet probably about 5 times a year . The ones where they skate 10 to 50 feet maybe another 5-7 times
- VANTEL

The situation works both ways though. A player could step on the ice and his team score. It probably happens just as much as the team gets scored on.

I don't know an exact number but how many times in an 82 games season do you think that would really happen to a player and not happen the other way at the same time. In the end I bet the stat would have much more then a 3-5 either way at max.
- manvanfan

The Sedin's were famous for this, they have on occasion done it twice in one game.
I tracked 1 season, 07 I believe it was, when they did it 12 times in the season and I missed 20 games.

The situation works both ways though. A player could step on the ice and his team score. It probably happens just as much as the team gets scored on.
- manvanfan

You can be in the other teams corner waiting for a pass and the Dman fires it and it gets blocked by the other team and taken down the ice and scored on. Or a team mate makes a bad pass and the other team takes it down the ice and scores.

There are too many variables with that stat where you can get rewarded or punished for something you had nothing to do with

You can be in the other teams corner waiting for a pass and the Dman fires it and it gets blocked by the other team and taken down the ice and scored on. Or a team mate makes a bad pass and the other team takes it down the ice and scores.

There are too many variables with that stat where you can get rewarded or punished for something you had nothing to do with
- VANTEL

The Sedin's were famous for this, they have on occasion done it twice in one game.
I tracked 1 season, 07 I believe it was, when they did it 12 times in the season and I missed 20 games.
- Reubenkincade

You tracked them being on for a few seconds getting a point or being on for a goal against?

You tracked them being on for a few seconds getting a point or being on for a goal against?
- manvanfan

Zone entries with possession, where you shoot the puck from, where opponents gets shots off against you, etc. How many passes you make lead to quality shots by your teammate, etc.

I’ll take those over +/- and corsi

You can be in the other teams corner waiting for a pass and the Dman fires it and it gets blocked by the other team and taken down the ice and scored on. Or a team mate makes a bad pass and the other team takes it down the ice and scores.

There are too many variables with that stat where you can get rewarded or punished for something you had nothing to do with
- VANTEL

Which is just like any stat and as Makita said earlier, they are subjective.

You tracked them being on for a few seconds getting a point or being on for a goal against?
- manvanfan

They would change up when the puck was going into defensive zone, causing a goal against. They did this their whole career and it was a tendency that the young players were carrying on last season and lo and behold Sedin's are gone and that puss poor habit has changed.
I swear I dislike the Sedin's style, more than Vantel.😠

- Nucker101

Granlund plays against Pitts 4 th line

Sutter plays against Crosby and Malkin. Who will have the better plus/minus

Granlund plays against Pitts 4 th line

Sutter plays against Crosby and Malkin. Who will have the better plus/minus
- VANTEL

exactly

Which is just like any stat and as Makita said earlier, they are subjective.
- Reubenkincade

Definitely

Those moves were when we had 0 toughness.

Benning also made other trades for players at the start seeing the club had no players age 22-27 . When Benning first entered the team locker room and found all the boys looking at pamphlets from the Shady Rest retirement home , he thought he had to jump right on it.
- VANTEL

And how much toughness do they have now, still zero?

Zone entries with possession, where you shoot the puck from, where opponents gets shots off against you, etc. How many passes you make lead to quality shots by your teammate, etc.

I’ll take those over +/- and corsi
- Nucker101

There are tons of ways of tracking stats. EP's bank pass to Boeser would have been classified as a uncontrolled entry right?

I love stats fights!!
- Marwood

Fighting out of the blue corner....

Corrrrrrrsiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

And how much toughness do they have now, still zero?
- 1970vintage

I seen Hamonic in a full cage last night, maybe ask him if he thinks Canucks have toughness

I don't like +/- because how many times does a guy just jump on the ice and not even in the play yet and the other team scores

Shots can come from the blue line or center ice and still be awarded a shot.

I do like stats on scoring chances and I don't really need stats for that seeing I have eyes.
- VANTEL

Balances out when a guy created the goal without touching the puck. eg Big hit or 3rd assist that started it all off.

exactly
- Nucker101

How has it turned from Sutter having an off year into Granlund vs Sutter? Sutter's role hasn't changed from last season.

The argument has turned into something else to prove themselves right.

Balances out when a guy created the goal without touching the puck. eg Big hit or 3rd assist that started it all off.
- Nighthawk

So you are saying it is a stat that calculates a player even though they had nothing t do with the play . Thank you.

Granlund plays against Pitts 4 th line

Sutter plays against Crosby and Malkin. Who will have the better plus/minus
- VANTEL

Thats when adjusted +/- would make it a better stat. Quality of Ops +/-

So you are saying it is a stat that calculates a player even though they had nothing t do with the play . Thank you.
- VANTEL

A dump in & a big hit to cough up the puck is not nothing. A big turnover is always good. Valimaki

I think we have better discussions on here when we are playing poopty.

A dump in & a big hit to cough up the puck is not nothing.
- Nighthawk

But I can name many flaws of the stat both ways , for and against . A stat that has that many flaws should not be a relevant stat.