Speaking of getting your ass handed to you, Neem is handing your ass to you in the pool this week . I guess that is why you haven't talked pool this week
- VANTEL

My team bites

My team bites
- Nighthawk

Yup

Are you trying to say that there is no way possible to show if a player is good defensively except by the eye test?
- manvanfan

The eye test says Bergeron & Kopitar are good. Stats are so subjective but stars stand out without them.

The eye test says Bergeron & Kopitar are good. Stats are so subjective but stars stand out without them.
- Nighthawk

Stats are subjective but the eye test isn’t? I have a hard time buying that. We’re fans, which I believe derives from fanatics, which doesn’t scream subjectivity. We bring bias to every game we watch, players we like, players we don’t, etc, which impacts how we perceive the game.

It’s fine to disregard stats and rely solely on what your eyeballs tell you, millions of fans do exactly that and they are just as passionate as anyone. But it’s not subjective.

Stats are subjective but the eye test isn’t? I have a hard time buying that. We’re fans, which I believe derives from fanatics, which doesn’t scream subjectivity. We bring bias to every game we watch, players we like, players we don’t, etc, which impacts how we perceive the game.

It’s fine to disregard stats and rely solely on what your eyeballs tell you, millions of fans do exactly that and they are just as passionate as anyone. But it’s not subjective.
- CubanBuffet

What are you kidding? Most fans can't even see the "little things". Explains why LE is still playing in the NHL and no one can understand why.

They would change up when the puck was going into defensive zone, causing a goal against. They did this their whole career and it was a tendency that the young players were carrying on last season and lo and behold Sedin's are gone and that puss poor habit has changed.
I swear I dislike the Sedin's style, more than Vantel.😠
- Reubenkincade

Because they had the puck for a minute in the offensive zone.

The eye test says Bergeron & Kopitar are good. Stats are so subjective but stars stand out without them.
- Nighthawk

I wasn't comparing players. I was comparing one player from his previous season.

Yes but he did fight.
- VANTEL

It was franking funny

Are you trying to say that there is no way possible to show if a player is good defensively except by the eye test?
- manvanfan

No, I'm trying to say that using PDO or oisv% as a metric for Sutter playing poorly doesn't make sense.

Stats are subjective but the eye test isn’t? I have a hard time buying that. We’re fans, which I believe derives from fanatics, which doesn’t scream subjectivity. We bring bias to every game we watch, players we like, players we don’t, etc, which impacts how we perceive the game.

It’s fine to disregard stats and rely solely on what your eyeballs tell you, millions of fans do exactly that and they are just as passionate as anyone. But it’s not subjective.
- CubanBuffet

What are you kidding? Most fans can't even see the "little things". Explains why LE is still playing in the NHL and no one can understand why.
- manvanfan

I can’t tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. But LE is a good example. His crazy bad contract makes it almost impossible to see that he provides low impact safe minutes. It’s not worth what he gets paid, but ignoring his contract he’s a legit NHL player. I still fcking hate him though.

Stats are subjective but the eye test isn’t? I have a hard time buying that. We’re fans, which I believe derives from fanatics, which doesn’t scream subjectivity. We bring bias to every game we watch, players we like, players we don’t, etc, which impacts how we perceive the game.

It’s fine to disregard stats and rely solely on what your eyeballs tell you, millions of fans do exactly that and they are just as passionate as anyone. But it’s not subjective.
- CubanBuffet

No, I'm trying to say that using PDO or oisv% as a metric for Sutter playing poorly doesn't make sense.
- belcherbd

What would then? Should I flip a coin?

I can’t tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. But LE is a good example. His crazy bad contract makes it almost impossible to see that he provides low impact safe minutes. It’s not worth what he gets paid, but ignoring his contract he’s a legit NHL player. I still fcking hate him though.
- CubanBuffet

I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic way. Most fans can't see what happens in a game. They can't keep track of everything during the game. Stats if anything help a fan understand the game more.

Exactly why after 10 games of the season Canucks fan's start planning the parade and then things fall off. Stats tell us every year that while the wins pile up for the first little bit, it isn't sustainable.

EP40 will beat the crap out of Johhny Hockey ...put that in your book

I can’t tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. But LE is a good example. His crazy bad contract makes it almost impossible to see that he provides low impact safe minutes. It’s not worth what he gets paid, but ignoring his contract he’s a legit NHL player. I still fcking hate him though.
- CubanBuffet

I'm only quoting you a second time to answer the second part.

I really don't love or hate any player in the NHL. I have no bias. Each player has a value to a team. That's it.

Stats are subjective but the eye test isn’t? I have a hard time buying that. We’re fans, which I believe derives from fanatics, which doesn’t scream subjectivity. We bring bias to every game we watch, players we like, players we don’t, etc, which impacts how we perceive the game.

It’s fine to disregard stats and rely solely on what your eyeballs tell you, millions of fans do exactly that and they are just as passionate as anyone. But it’s not subjective.
- CubanBuffet

I'm only quoting you a second time to answer the second part.

I really don't love or hate any player in the NHL. I have no bias. Each player has a value to a team. That's it.
- manvanfan

thta's where you and I differ , i hate most players not Canucks and love and stand up for those who choose to be Canucks

I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic way. Most fans can't see what happens in a game. They can't keep track of everything during the game. Stats if anything help a fan understand the game more.

Exactly why after 10 games of the season Canucks fan's start planning the parade and then things fall off. Stats tell us every year that while the wins pile up for the first little bit, it isn't sustainable.
- manvanfan

Most fans don't need to see everything . That is why we are called fans and not GMs

thta's where you and I differ , i hate most players not Canucks and love and stand up for those who choose to be Canucks
- onesmallleap

What about guys we trade for or draft that don’t really have a choice?

What about guys we trade for or draft that don’t really have a choice?
- Nucker101

you do have a choice , but my point is more towards the guys who re-sign and sign early and are team guys, guys who bail or are more about money and other things are not what i want to see ,

Most fans don't need to see everything . That is why we are called fans and not GMs
- VANTEL

When a fan asks you why the team isn't winning games like they were at the start of the season. What would you tell them?

What about guys we trade for or draft that don’t really have a choice?
- Nucker101

Value.

we need a culture of privilege to be a Canuck and to have passionate , sometimes irrational fans, but to see people say mean and untrue hateful rhetoric on sites like this because they don't like a player or his underlying #s is not what i see as a strong fan base

fans should expect their choice of words to possibly impact the team and players, and try to speak accordingly

When a fan asks you why the team isn't winning games like they were at the start of the season. What would you tell them?
- manvanfan

Not too many of my friends ask me why. They watch the game and say the team sucked last night didn't they ? I agree yup end of story.