Hope the team sues the poop out of the Uber driver for breach of privacy without consent.
- corunnakid

You don't think that Uber has something in their T&C that protects them from this? I haven't read it, because who does, but I'm 99% positive they don't guarantee privacy in their cars.

You don't think that Uber has something in their T&C that protects them from this? I haven't read it, because who does, but I'm 99% positive they don't guarantee privacy in their cars.
- Jeffmt

Correct me if I'm wrong here but: aren't Uber drivers considered private contractors? So, in this case (especially in a single-party consent state like AZ) doesn't this drift more towards Tort law than it would privacy violation litigation?

Either way- Duchene and Co. would do well to just drop this part of the argument (if they are even really making it). A lawsuit...wew... that would be some horrendous optics.

Pretty slimmy thing to do?? Dude its 2018 cameras are everywhere. Companies like TMZ pay top dollar for stuff like this when its celebs.

The guy is driving a uber and saw an opportunity tp make some extra cash. I dont knock him at all for it

The players have no expectation of privacy here. This wqs not a mic in a hotel room vent.

Here in NYC alot of taxis have some.form of recording devices. Audio or video
- Flexingtheshaft

Is it also OK for hotel security staff use security surveillance footage of married famous people about to enter their room with boyfriend/girlfriend to publicly shame them? Is there not a reasonable expectation of privacy?

The players did own up to it which is important. It wasn't the wisest thing to do but they are only human and were just venting there frustrations. On a positive note, the embarrassment caused to coaching/management just might force them to pay closer attention to things that are not working.

This could actually be turned into a positive, if changes are made based on their comments. They represent some of the team's best players, so ignoring their brutal honesty would be foolish. Based on results, I can't say that their assessments are that far off. Rude yes, but it was supposed to remain private. And also pretty accurate by the sounds of it.

Hope the team sues the poop out of the Uber driver for breach of privacy without consent.
- sportsdataguy

what kind of precedent do you think that would set? you'd basically be saying that the players run the organization.

Those complaining about breach of privacy are out to lunch. These players were not discussing these issues in the privacy of their locker room or their hotel room or their homes. They were in a public place with another party that had no ties to the team. They have no expectations of privacy there. Even without the video these guys were spilling the beans in the company of someone not involved. There is no privacy there.

Cannot complain about breach of privacy if you shoot your mouth off in front of people.

And from what I understand Arizona is a one consent state so him being involved in the discussion means he's done nothing wrong legally.
- burn

Only once they're in the vehicle, it's not really public anymore ... is it? Since the vehicle represents the physical space of the company, making it private? Don't know for sure, but seems like a reasonable distinction.

what kind of precedent do you think that would set? you'd basically be saying that the players run the organization.
- DoubleDown

Don't care how they spin it, but essentially in this case ... they were right, the coaching sounds incompetent.

Only once they're in the vehicle, it's not really public anymore ... is it? Since the vehicle represents the physical space of the company, making it private? Don't know for sure, but seems like a reasonable distinction.
- sportsdataguy

If it hasnt been posted it yet. This is a quote from an Uber exec.

"A video was released by the media today of several Uber passengers being filmed without their consent while having a private discussion during a trip in Phoenix. This is a clear violation of our terms of service and we worked vigorously to investigate this issue. Filming or recording passengers without their consent is totally unacceptable and if reported / detected we will investigate + take action to preserve our communities privacy and integrity. In this specific case, we made efforts to have the video taken down."

Correct me if I'm wrong here but: aren't Uber drivers considered private contractors? So, in this case (especially in a single-party consent state like AZ) doesn't this drift more towards Tort law than it would privacy violation litigation?

Either way- Duchene and Co. would do well to just drop this part of the argument (if they are even really making it). A lawsuit...wew... that would be some horrendous optics.
- OzBolts

Yeah you might be right about that. I'm sure Uber's butt is covered though. And you're also right that a group of professional athletes suing a private citizen because they were stupid would just further their embarrassment.

The driver was incredibly stupid here too. If you're going to be slimy and release something like that, how do you do it for free on Twitter? He should have took the rest of the night off, found out where Ottawa is, and called every newspaper in that city until someone offered him a few thousand dollars.

I'm really not shocked something like this happened. co workers banter it happens in every workplace.

I don't like the idea of the Cab driver posting it but at least it will get back to the coaching staff and management who will hopefully wake up.

I'm curious as to how they are going to deal with/punish the players. Personally I'd be making those guys do two a days for the next week and very limited ice time. Doesn't matter that Duchene and Chabot are our star players they need to learn to have respect.

As for another idea. I've said a long time ago that I think one player we could get extremely cheap is Nail Yakupov and I think that even more now that he's not in the NHL. We could get him super cheap and he's a guy that has talent and could take off. As well as he would likely appreciate of opportunity and maybe rub that appreciative attitude on some of the other players.... plus heck what else do we have to lose.

Yeah you might be right about that. I'm sure Uber's butt is covered though. And you're also right that a group of professional athletes suing a private citizen because they were stupid would just further their embarrassment.

The driver was incredibly stupid here too. If you're going to be slimy and release something like that, how do you do it for free on Twitter? He should have took the rest of the night off, found out where Ottawa is, and called every newspaper in that city until someone offered him a few thousand dollars.
- Jeffmt

Can't disagree with that!

- though... because he hasn't financially benefited from this (as far as we know), he may have slightly covered himself, here.

Not saying what he did was ethical, by the way, I'm aware my posts on this may be misread to deem what the driver did appropriate. Not my intention.

Are they really? Cause that's not what I'm seeing.

Also, no it wasn't a private conversation since it was in a public place in which the driver was involved.
- burn

Wideman is getting alot of negative backlash on social media. He seems to be the one people are blaming.

I said the veteran should have spoke up. Meaning Duchene. Yes its his presence that sets the attitude of young players. Off ice character sets the tone for team character. Poor role model for young players. Regardless if they are on video or not is irelevant
A veteran superstar whom many would be willing to give a long term mega contract. Tells the young guys i havent paid attention in meetings for over half the season because i dont like the coaching style.
Like Stone said after the 9-2 loss ,and i am sure he knew abouf this. " as players we cant blame the coach for everything" . I think that blowout was because the team knew what happened. So here we go again.
To suggest this is commonplace in the NHL i find hard to believe. To suggest this is the same as a minimum wage worker complaing to his coworker about tbe boss is not even in the realm of being the same thing.
Team culture is a real thing wether you like the coaching style or not.
- spazzbot

Totally agree, if Duchene wants to land a long term mega contract, this does not look good. If he wants to be one of the highest paid players on the team, part of that would involve being a leader on and off the ice . He's a veteran player, if he has a problem with the coaching style or whatever, he should have the maturity to speak about it to the coaches and try to get something done that way. All complaining about it does is undermine the coaches' message for the younger players and make the problems worse.

Of course I have and I have paid for it. You learn from it. People suggesting the Uber driver or the coach should lose their jobs are absolute morons. These players are the ones that made the idiotic comments.
- Bolts91

*cough*bullpoop*cough*

I'm really not shocked something like this happened. co workers banter it happens in every workplace.

I don't like the idea of the Cab driver posting it but at least it will get back to the coaching staff and management who will hopefully wake up.

I'm curious as to how they are going to deal with/punish the players. Personally I'd be making those guys do two a days for the next week and very limited ice time. Doesn't matter that Duchene and Chabot are our star players they need to learn to have respect.

As for another idea. I've said a long time ago that I think one player we could get extremely cheap is Nail Yakupov and I think that even more now that he's not in the NHL. We could get him super cheap and he's a guy that has talent and could take off. As well as he would likely appreciate of opportunity and maybe rub that appreciative attitude on some of the other players.... plus heck what else do we have to lose.
- Maverick1818

A few teams thought the same thing. Might string a couple good weeks together and get people talking, but he'll go right back to being terrible.

A few teams thought the same thing. Might string a couple good weeks together and get people talking, but he'll go right back to being terrible.
- mgriffen

He was never really trouble, he had kind of a big head in Edmonton. the other teams he was fine just could get an chemistry.

Plus even if we get a couple good weeks out of him, that's still a couple good weeks and we gave it a shot in a losing season for almost nothing...

There's no down side in my opinion.

Today I'm also thinking we should take a run at Quinnville. but I doubt he would come here.

Don't care how they spin it, but essentially in this case ... they were right, the coaching sounds incompetent.
- sportsdataguy

You think Melnyk is going to pay a bunch of guys to not work for him, and then hire a whole new staff on top of that? A staff that is going to openly accept going there is going to cost, a lot

Only once they're in the vehicle, it's not really public anymore ... is it? Since the vehicle represents the physical space of the company, making it private? Don't know for sure, but seems like a reasonable distinction.
- sportsdataguy

I think the laws in Canada vs the US are very different on this and thats why it seems we are all seeing it differently...i know here in NY only 1 party needs to know they are being recoreded ie the driver. There is no obligation to tell anyone else.

Is it also OK for hotel security staff use security surveillance footage of married famous people about to enter their room with boyfriend/girlfriend to publicly shame them? Is there not a reasonable expectation of privacy?

The players did own up to it which is important. It wasn't the wisest thing to do but they are only human and were just venting there frustrations. On a positive note, the embarrassment caused to coaching/management just might force them to pay closer attention to things that are not working.
- SensFan25

The hotels that cater to millionaires have no reason to release it bcs there business is based on these people returning.

You think if gretzky was at a run down motel 6 and seen entering a room with a prostitute that video wouldnt be sold to the highest bidder?

Also what if the taxi driver is robbed? Can the video not be used in court bcs the robber while a customer has an expectation of privavcy?

I feel for ottowa fans, they need a new owner on down. Just wipe everything clean and begin new. New owner,gm,coach. Trade everyone for picks and prospects and see where you are in 4 or 5 years

He was never really trouble, he had kind of a big head in Edmonton. the other teams he was fine just could get an chemistry.

Plus even if we get a couple good weeks out of him, that's still a couple good weeks and we gave it a shot in a losing season for almost nothing...

There's no down side in my opinion.

Today I'm also thinking we should take a run at Quinnville. but I doubt he would come here.
- Maverick1818

Very true, if he actually wants to return. I don't really care about the big headedness, but if you're gonna be cocky then you better be good. My point was just that Colorado and St Louis both thought they could get something out of him and gave him chances. He's had ample opportunity. But yeah if you get him for 1 year 1 mil, then why not right?

Very true, if he actually wants to return. I don't really care about the big headedness, but if you're gonna be cocky then you better be good. My point was just that Colorado and St Louis both thought they could get something out of him and gave him chances. He's had ample opportunity. But yeah if you get him for 1 year 1 mil, then why not right?
- mgriffen

I'm fine with a positive attitude. I know a few scouts who have all said and they've talked about it on Sens Radio before that he has so much more talent then he ever showed in Edmonton or anywhere else. But he's the type of guy that needs a support system in terms of management and he never got that with any team.

Like I said, say he sign him for 1 year for a $1 Million or less and he gets even 10 goals. That's positive, He would likely work his butt off because a team is giving him one last chance and it could bring at least a bit of excitement and a new look to Ottawa.

You never know, he's still young, he's matured and he may get some chemistry and do very well.

At this point the legality of it is irrelevant. The tape shouldn't have been released. But it was.

It brings about even more points about the Senators. The special teams coaching has been terrible, but are the players talking to the coaches? Are they trying to make a case for change? Or are they just sucking it up and female doging behind their backs and doing nothing? I think if it was the former, the conversation would have been quite different. And I also think it would have placed the players in a more positive light - as people who want to make a positive change, but aren't able to.

Instead they come across as looking pretty poor. Is this why Duchene was on the block in Colorado for so long? He's a negative influence? You don't want that type of guy leading discontent in your youth - especially when you're starting a rebuild.

The hotels that cater to millionaires have no reason to release it bcs there business is based on these people returning.

You think if gretzky was at a run down motel 6 and seen entering a room with a prostitute that video wouldnt be sold to the highest bidder?

Also what if the taxi driver is robbed? Can the video not be used in court bcs the robber while a customer has an expectation of privavcy?

I feel for ottowa fans, they need a new owner on down. Just wipe everything clean and begin new. New owner,gm,coach. Trade everyone for picks and prospects and see where you are in 4 or 5 years
- Flexingtheshaft

believe that's referred to as the Kevin Stevens

Those complaining about breach of privacy are out to lunch. These players were not discussing these issues in the privacy of their locker room or their hotel room or their homes. They were in a public place with another party that had no ties to the team. They have no expectations of privacy there. Even without the video these guys were spilling the beans in the company of someone not involved. There is no privacy there.

Cannot complain about breach of privacy if you shoot your mouth off in front of people.

And from what I understand Arizona is a one consent state so him being involved in the discussion means he's done nothing wrong legally.
- burn

No but do you think its acceptable if you and a colleague go out for lunch and vent about work and some guy just films it and posts it online? Everyone gets frustrated with their work place, clearly they are. All conversation conversations are considered private unless someone is talking to you. The players were talking amongst themselves, they werent talking to the driver. He asked one question they answered and went back to THEIR conversation. It doesnt matter where you are, you have no right to record and share other people's conversations. I mean should I have to watch what I say in a hotel room because someone might be recording me? No that is wrong!

At this point the legality of it is irrelevant. The tape shouldn't have been released. But it was.

It brings about even more points about the Senators. The special teams coaching has been terrible, but are the players talking to the coaches? Are they trying to make a case for change? Or are they just sucking it up and female doging behind their backs and doing nothing? I think if it was the former, the conversation would have been quite different. And I also think it would have placed the players in a more positive light - as people who want to make a positive change, but aren't able to.

Instead they come across as looking pretty poor. Is this why Duchene was on the block in Colorado for so long? He's a negative influence? You don't want that type of guy leading discontent in your youth - especially when you're starting a rebuild.
- Monkeypunk

I would assume so. His attitude did not seem ideal however how much of it is attributed to the Ottawa situation. I cant honestly say I would have said anything different if I was frustrated with how things are. I was in a similar situation and I speak my mind. I dont sugar coat things. I tell it as it is. My previous employer was awful, new one isnt much better but I spoke up because things were being done poorly, our methods were inefficient but all management cared about was numbers not service. Eventually I just left. People dont leave bad jobs, they leave bad managers. Right now everyone wants out of Ottawa

I would assume so. His attitude did not seem ideal however how much of it is attributed to the Ottawa situation. I cant honestly say I would have said anything different if I was frustrated with how things are. I was in a similar situation and I speak my mind. I dont sugar coat things. I tell it as it is. My previous employer was awful, new one isnt much better but I spoke up because things were being done poorly, our methods were inefficient but all management cared about was numbers not service. Eventually I just left. People dont leave bad jobs, they leave bad managers. Right now everyone wants out of Ottawa
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's sort of my point. You spoke up. Which is what you want out of people who know what they are doing or who recognize that there's a problem. There are ways to do it respectfully. If that falls on deaf ears (and perhaps you try again), then the problem is no longer yours - you've done your part.

If they had spoken up, the conversation wouldn't have been about how he runs the worst PK and now worst PP, and how he hasn't listened in three weeks, and so on . . . it would have been about how the coach would't listen to them, or how frustrating it was that they couldn't do x or y. Instead they aren't a part of the solution at all. They're just contributing to the problem.