I read a quote from a GM saying no team in the NHL is gonna give Nylander his ask. He needs the looming deadline and some offers that show that and he'll sign with the Leafs.
- Zezel

Still rather just keep him. The cap hit goes down if he signs late November and he can still get an avg of 7 million per. This late signing brings it down slightly.

Gonna be a crazy day on here. Think I'll take the dog for a long walk and a ball throw to help me battle the internal rage I feel after the Leafs lost because they won on Friday night.
- Woderwick

I'm back from the dog park, waiting for the coffee to brew.

I have a half hour to rage before going back to another franking arena.

Met a dog in the park today - owner named him "Trouble."

Franking brilliant.

I think dubas made a mistake by being cocky all summer and not trying to sign nylander early in the off season or before they signed JT.

Still time
- Fakepartofme

How do you know that they didn't try? I think that none of this is a surprise to anyone in the Leafs' organization.

This leak to Friedman is nothing more than Dubas sending a message to Willy's group, but at the same time, doing his due diligence on an asset now, getting legit offers in play vs. waiting until the last week when the vultures come out and offer scraps to attempt to take advantage of a desperate Dubas.

I still think he signs on a bridge deal and part of me wonders if that was the expected outcome all along (and maybe one they preferred).

How do you know that he didn't try earlier?
- burn

There is a difference between trying (Dubas style) and really trying (getting things done).

You can't say make that quote of 'We can and we will' unless you already have pre-agreements on contracts with all three players.
Just stupid.

There is a difference between trying (Dubas style) and really trying (getting things done).

You can't say make that quote of 'We can and we will' unless you already have pre-agreements on contracts with all three players.
Just stupid.
- plantheparade

What if Nylander does sign? You are rushing things here.

I prefer confidence over the same boring answers GMs give. Lou was torture to listen to.

I read a quote from a GM saying no team in the NHL is gonna give Nylander his ask. He needs the looming deadline and some offers that show that and he'll sign with the Leafs.
- Zezel

Sadly - its too late for that now. The last player to sit out this long was Turris and he got signed and dealt two weeks later. Leafs will pay him to sign then move him. He's just not as important as Marner and Matthews - would have been nice, but the JT signing probably is a bigger factor in him being gone than his ask.

I read a quote from a GM saying no team in the NHL is gonna give Nylander his ask. He needs the looming deadline and some offers that show that and he'll sign with the Leafs.
- Zezel

This is what I really, really, really hope happens, but let's be honest here: there's always (at least) one idiot GM willing to overpay.

What if Nylander does sign? You are rushing things here.

I prefer confidence over the same boring answers GMs give. Lou was torture to listen to.
- RogerRoeper

If he would have agreed on contracts with all three player earlier, would have saved 2-4million on total cap hit for sure.

+ the fact that Leafs are missing Nylander for a Month now.

Unless Leafs in fact have planned all along to trade Nylander (due to his personality / not fitting well with rest of the team), it's bad player management on behalf of Dubas.

If he would have agreed on contracts with all three player earlier, would have saved 2-4million on total cap hit for sure.

+ the fact that Leafs are missing Nylander for a Month now.

Unless Leafs in fact have planned all along to trade Nylander (due to his personality / not fitting well with rest of the team), it's bad player management on behalf of Dubas.
- plantheparade

How do you know the players would have signed? Why the hell would Marner have signed knowing he'd play with JT? (And no, he could not have signed before JT did).
Have you seen Marner's crappy TOI prior to this season? It's a miracle he has 2 + 60 point seasons. He had never had a season yet full as a top 6 forward.

You are juding Dubas on things you have no idea about.

Lol

If only they did what I think they'd win every game
- Zezel

But if they happen to lose...it's the end of days.

I'm back from the dog park, waiting for the coffee to brew.

I have a half hour to rage before going back to another franking arena.

Met a dog in the park today - owner named him "Trouble."

Franking brilliant.
- Atomic Wedgie

Our dog doesn't play well with others. It's a solitary life for him at the fenced in ball diamond.

I would speculate that Nylander does not want to be the 4th best forward on his team. He likely has Kyrie Irving syndrome

I would speculate that Nylander does not want to be the 4th best forward on his team. He likely has Kyrie Irving syndrome
- mr.sir

Or he just wants 8 million per. I really don't think it's more than that.

If he would have agreed on contracts with all three player earlier, would have saved 2-4million on total cap hit for sure.

+ the fact that Leafs are missing Nylander for a Month now.

Unless Leafs in fact have planned all along to trade Nylander (due to his personality / not fitting well with rest of the team), it's bad player management on behalf of Dubas.
- plantheparade

It's more of a loophole in the CBA and the Nylander way, Max. Nylander - is not arbitration eligible - which Leafs would have surely used. He can hold out and force a move. He father had at least three significant contract disputes over a 10-12 year career, was traded 5 times.

If he would have agreed on contracts with all three player earlier, would have saved 2-4million on total cap hit for sure.

+ the fact that Leafs are missing Nylander for a Month now.

Unless Leafs in fact have planned all along to trade Nylander (due to his personality / not fitting well with rest of the team), it's bad player management on behalf of Dubas.
- plantheparade

Right?

What he told the "media" (his pet iguana and stuffed animals), that his mom told him to turn it off and go to bed, was false.

What an insider told me is that the batteries died on his controller before he could push the A button to confirm the transactions.

Rookie move: you always change the batteries before entering contract season.

But if they happen to lose...it's the end of days.
- Woderwick

Jeezus, Wodsie - Leafs lost an away game (2nd game in two nights) to end a three-game winning streak, against a team that rested Friday night at home, and you just want to make excuses?

Go cheer for the Senators.

How do you know the players would have signed? Why the hell would Marner have signed knowing he'd play with JT? (And no, he could not have signed before JT did).
Have you seen Marner's crappy TOI prior to this season? It's a miracle he has 2 + 60 point seasons. He had never had a season yet full as a top 6 forward.

You are juding Dubas on things you have no idea about.
- RogerRoeper

What?

Marner is 2nd in FW ice behind Kadri for the last 2 years

My bad, 4th in TOI

This is what I really, really, really hope happens, but let's be honest here: there's always (at least) one idiot GM willing to overpay.
- Atomic Wedgie

Do the math, at $7 million, Matthews at say $12 and Marner at $10 and JT at $11, that's about $40 million out of a $85 million cap. It's good to have the talent, but thats more cap trouble than either Blackhawks or Oilers.

What?

Marner is 2nd in FW ice behind Kadri for the last 2 years
- Garnie

Babcock plays his core players less than any coach. It doesn't matter where he ranks in time on the team, the fact remains he avg only 16:28 per game last season with 69 points. That is fantastic. He was under 16 minutes in his rookie year.
Compare his TOi with Rantanen and Aho and get back to me (2 wingers the same age drafted the same year).

Of course Marner would bet on himself. He knew he'd get more TOI and would play with Tavres and would not spend time on the 4th line this season.

Jeezus, Wodsie - Leafs lost an away game (2nd game in two nights) to end a three-game winning streak, against a team that rested Friday night at home, and you just want to make excuses?

Go cheer for the Senators.
- Atomic Wedgie

Go Sens Go!!!

What if it's a tactic to get his demands to come down. If the teams that are interested in him and work out a trade the leafs are happy with but they can't work out a deal with Willie then maybe he realize that he's worth less than he's asking.
- burn

Just saying its all part of process. Knew wed eventually get here.
Trade or sign...dont care anymore.

Babcock plays his core players less than any coach. It doesn't matter where he rabks in time on the team, the fact remains he avg only 16:28 per game last season with 69 points. That is fantastic. He was under 16 minutes in his rookie year.
Compare his TOi with Rantanen and Aho and get back to me (2 wingers the same age drafted the same year).

Of course Marner would bet on himself. He knew he'd get more TOI and would play with Tavres and would not spend time on the 4th line this season.
- RogerRoeper

I don’t think he’s been misused, you may not agree with Babs usage. Not all teams have 3 good lines...and the only way to get messages to players ( since you’re not allowed to spank them anymore ) is their ice time and linemates.

Not a big deal, I don’t blame him for betting on himself either...great player.

Still rather just keep him. The cap hit goes down if he signs late November and he can still get an avg of 7 million per. This late signing brings it down slightly.
- RogerRoeper

Yes, I’d rather just keep him...even if he sits a year.

Yes, I’d rather just keep him...even if he sits a year.
- Garnie

I only want him moved before Dec 1st if it's for a fantastic return.

I only want him moved before Dec 1st if it's for a fantastic return.
- RogerRoeper

I’ve been saying Hamilton would be the only D I’d want from the Canes. If not keep him....we’ll find out very soon.

And I wouldn’t add very much to the deal. No way we give up Nylander and Kap I hope.