Forget coaching, what about GM (or Asst GM to start)? Isn't his brother in that position with the Canes?
- powerenforcer

Was.

He moved on after Dundon restructured the front office. Didn't like the way it was going to operate. He's a scout for the Leafs now.

"BUT HE'S SOFT!"

https://twitter.com/i/status/1062144220545368064

You can tell that Eddie is starting to lose it with this team. He's very frustrated.

He called out Schmaltz last night for serious lack of desire/heart.
- Hank3Henshaw

Eddie O is seeing it thru the eyes of a former player and coach who has been there in the trenches. It takes a lot to go public in the media or on air with that type of accusation.

What Schmaltz needs is a performance review in the dressing room one on one with Mark Messier. He was famous for dealing with a teammate who he didn't think was pulling his weight or was gutless.

Anybody still questioning why Q healthy scratched this stiff?

"BUT HE'S SOFT!"

https://twitter.com/i/status/1062144220545368064
- BINGO!

Slewfoot!

Attacking Rocky is ridiculous. He hired McD to resurrect the Hawks, and all that ensued was the most successful period in their history, with the franchise (which according to Bryan Smith's recent book "The Breakaway"was losing $30M each year!) increasing fivefold in value from $200M to $1B during McD's watch. So those hoping for McD to be terminated -- it just isn't happening. McD handles the day-to-day operation so that Rocky can run his liquor, real estate and banking businesses.

After the Hawks missed the playoffs for the first time, Rocky warned that change would happen if things didn't improve. Well, they didn't improve, and 15 games in, change happened -- specifically a coaching change. This was the logical first step in trying to right the ship, and unlike firing Stanbo, this is the only organizational change that could possibly make a difference this season.

Now, Rocky and McD can see how this roster performs under a different coach. If it improves significantly, great. Stan (who I myself loath) could say "See I had a good roster, all it took was a new coach to develop it, who by-the-way I picked out."

If the team's performance doesn't improve, firing the exposed Stan would be Rocky and McD's next logical move. Meanwhile, they will have had the opportunity to further assess JC. If they like him, they can look for a new GM who they think would work well with him. If not, they fire JC, bring in a new GM, and let him hire his coach.

Give Rocky credit for being a smart, logical businessman. He is the exact opposite of what his father, who put Hawks' fans through decades of hell, was. Be thankful he is the Hawks' owner.
- BMWChiFan

I'm sorry but excusing or givingmRocky a pass is clearly insane. The buck ultimately stops with him , Rocky just like his father has rubbed people the wrong way.
This team is in Stans hands and we've all watched Stans moves , with over paying underperforming players and handing out like candy these ridiculous no movement clauses to players whom are close to the end of their careers or past their prime which in turn in a salary cap era and always running against the cap it ties the teams hands. Trading off young assets like Leddy , Tevo to fix incompetent mistakes like giving Bickell or Seabrook for starters those contracts.


Or moving out PANARIN for saad and Forsberg lmao .


Change should have happened at best 3 years ago but at worst when they got smoked 4 and done then last year after missing the playoffs you finally remove the GM .



Until Rocky admits to himself that he has a problem he is the problem. MC D will always defend Stan and that's a problem and Stan can't define talent if he was hit in the face with it nor can he have any common sense on realistic contracts to offer players.


This team lacks talent period . Who's fault is that ? Stans

I'm sorry but excusing or givingmRocky a pass is clearly insane. The buck ultimately stops with him , Rocky just like his father has rubbed people the wrong way.
This team is in Stans hands and we've all watched Stans moves , with over paying underperforming players and handing out like candy these ridiculous no movement clauses to players whom are close to the end of their careers or past their prime which in turn in a salary cap era and always running against the cap it ties the teams hands. Trading off young assets like Leddy , Tevo to fix incompetent mistakes like giving Bickell or Seabrook for starters those contracts.


Or moving out PANARIN for saad and Forsberg lmao .


Change should have happened at best 3 years ago but at worst when they got smoked 4 and done then last year after missing the playoffs you finally remove the GM .



Until Rocky admits to himself that he has a problem he is the problem. MC D will always defend Stan and that's a problem and Stan can't define talent if he was hit in the face with it nor can he have any common sense on realistic contracts to offer players.


This team lacks talent period . Who's fault is that ? Stans
- Taylorst1

The craziest part to me is that you have 9 players who have full or partial No Trade Clauses.

NINE.

Why the hell does Chris Kunitz have an NMC? Cam Ward?

The next 21 games for the Hawks leading into the Christmas break:

STL, LA, MIN, @WSH, @TBL, @FL, VEGAS, @WPG, @NSH, CGY, @ANA, @VEGAS, MTL, @WPG, PIT, WPG, SANJOSE, NSH, @DAL,@COL, FL

Let' be generous and give them a few wins and a OTL or two equaling 14 points. That will give them 30 points at Christmas. Hopefully some major front office housecleaning at that time

The craziest part to me is that you have 9 players who have full or partial No Trade Clauses.

NINE.

Why the hell does Chris Kunitz have an NMC? Cam Ward?
- BINGO!

Eveyone knows what you're up to, eventually someone will lose their mind and repsond. We should have a pool to see who and when that response takes place.

Eddie O is seeing it thru the eyes of a former player and coach who has been there in the trenches. It takes a lot to go public in the media or on air with that type of accusation.

What Schmaltz needs is a performance review in the dressing room one on one with Mark Messier. He was famous for dealing with a teammate who he didn't think was pulling his weight or was gutless.

Anybody still questioning why Q healthy scratched this stiff?
- RickJ

That's what the GREAT Captains do...... but remember that Jonathan Toews may be the greatest Captain in the history of sports. I don't remember who said this but I do remember thinking that it is way overboard when I heard it. ( It may have been Eddie Olczyk )

Eveyone knows what you're up to, eventually someone will lose their mind and repsond. We should have a pool to see who and when that response takes place.
- paulr

I'm not trolling. I legitimately don't understand why those guys have no-move clauses.

The craziest part to me is that you have 9 players who have full or partial No Trade Clauses.

NINE.

Why the hell does Chris Kunitz have an NMC? Cam Ward?
- BINGO!

I agree , when you look at the skill , energy, and contracts of this team including age of players . One would have to really start to question and criticize Stans role in this poop show.


This team the year after winning the cup had the talent and record to go deep into the playoffs and possibly win it bu leadership and coaching had a laxcidasical attitude and that series against St Louis this team laid down and mentally where not challenged. That's a coaching issue .

So who would be the ideal GM for the Hawks moving forward if they let Stan go? Who do you bring in? I was pondering this the day before they let Q go, thinking it would be Stan who took the hit. I honestly couldn't think of a solid GM I'd want in that was available. And we'd have to act quick, as Seattle will be looking too.

Eveyone knows what you're up to, eventually someone will lose their mind and repsond. We should have a pool to see who and when that response takes place.
- paulr

Have to disagree with you on this one, PaulR.

Bingo is a regular on the board and always contributes insight into the Canes, ex-Hawks playing there, and general hockey knowledge discussions.

He's not trolling. He's just pointing out how many awful contracts the Hawks have. I must admit, I'm shocked to find out there's nine. Insane.

Why does Bowman do that?

So who would be the ideal GM for the Hawks moving forward if they let Stan go? Who do you bring in? I was pondering this the day before they let Q go, thinking it would be Stan who took the hit. I honestly couldn't think of a solid GM I'd want in that was available. And we'd have to act quick, as Seattle will be looking too.
- resqmed99

I know it won't happen, but would love to see them bring in Stevie Y...

It's super sad to see how the Hawks have fallen too now. From a joke of a Franchise to THE model Franchise to now a team that is just lost. Stuck between reliving the glory days and trying to develop some of the young kids for the next wave. Should have been done 2-3 years ago if you wanted to be a Playoff team like front office wants to have now. I don't have much hope for this year, but I have hope that there can be a way to get this team back to being a LEGIT Playoff team with the right pieces on this team. We'll see. Gonna be a rough year guys.

I know it won't happen, but would love to see them bring in Stevie Y...
- Hank3Henshaw

But that would mean more of the Bowmans. Scotty has to go.

I know it won't happen, but would love to see them bring in Stevie Y...
- Hank3Henshaw

I said the same thing to my buddy. Idk how you can get rid of Stan as GM though, and convince Scotty to stay on board to convice Stevie Y to come here and fix the mess his son made

I know it won't happen, but would love to see them bring in Stevie Y...
- Hank3Henshaw

I SECOND THAT Stevie Y all the way. Or do you bring back coach Q or tallon ?

Until everyone goes only yes men need apply.

I said the same thing to my buddy. Idk how you can get rid of Stan as GM though, and convince Scotty to stay on board to convice Stevie Y to come here and fix the mess his son made
- Savetheembers33

I think if the right pieces is Stevie y mind are here and he is given free reign and the final decision he may take the job.

It still bugs me that we moved so many young players recently when this club should have been thinking about rebuilding. All this has done is set us back a couple of years.
If we are looking at UFA's in the future no one over 25 should be considered. That includes Panarin who will turn 28 when someone signs him to a lucrative deal next summer. Ottawa dodged a bullet when Karlson did not extend with them. Imagine a 29 year old declining in play and embarking on a fresh lucrative contract. Price and Seabrook are classic examples of this too.

I said the same thing to my buddy. Idk how you can get rid of Stan as GM though, and convince Scotty to stay on board to convice Stevie Y to come here and fix the mess his son made
- Savetheembers33

If Scotty is an adult/businessman, I don't think that matters, you know? But maybe it does. I'm not sure.

I look at it like this: if my dad was very successful at his job and I started working at the company he works at and I ended up botching some stuff and the big wigs decided it was time for me to go, then that's it. I'm out. My dad stays. I would hope that's how things work and not some goofy allegiance, "I stay and work with my son or I'm gone, too" stuff. Haha.

Until everyone goes only yes men need apply.
- 6628

One of the biggest problems in pro sports right now.

A lot of teams are being built around analytics and they just want 'yes men' coaches who will play whatever players the nerds crunching numbers tell the front office to put in.

We saw it happen in Florida when the Panthers fired Gallant and replaced him with a guy who did whatever the front office wanted.

Gross.

The craziest part to me is that you have 9 players who have full or partial No Trade Clauses.

NINE.

Why the hell does Chris Kunitz have an NMC? Cam Ward?
- BINGO!

Ward and Kunitz are on one-year deals - they shouldn't have any kind of NMC/NTC - especially Kunitz.

However: looking at other teams (based on the information in CapFriendly) and how many players have some for of NMC/NTC:

TBL has 10 players with them
Sharks have 8
Caps and Pens have 7
Blues have 6
Jets have 5
Preds (according to CapFriendly) have none - but that doesn't seem right.

Yes - the Hawks have the most - but not outrageously so, given that 6 of them attach to players who won two or three Cups with the team.

Toews and Kane were overpaid when they signed there deals on 7/9/2014 because of the economics of the league - the cap not going up as much as "everyone" thought - but they aren't overpaid considering the contracts executed by other teams since then.

Seabrook's contract is for too long of a term - but his cap hit of $6.875MM is probably not out of line for the type of player he was on 9/26/2015, when he signed his contract.

Again, Ward and Kunitz are on one year deals; certainly Kunitz agree to a TDL deal to a contender - I doubt they would move Ward at all this year.

Kruger's M-NTC says he can list 7 teams he cannot be traded to - not a great impediment to a TDL deal (altho his contracted cap hit of $2.775MM is too high for his value).

The other NMC/NTC deals are Keith - a very team-friendly deal signed in 2009; Crawford - not a bad contract for a two-time Cup winning goalie; and Anisimov.

Anyone else think Eddie O sounds like a former head coach who might be a little upset that he didn't get any consideration to replace Q? He sure seems more assertive in criticizing the team's play.
- Larmer

Maybe Eddie's crap record of 2 - 5th place finishes in a season and a half coaching PITT had something to do with not being considered.