Hawks got a pick for Kempny last year, and he wasn't playing. They can get a pick for Rutta, even at over 2 mil. Someone can as always use a Defenseman.
- KMFDMLight

For Manning too? Or is a decent 7th?

trade Crawford. along with keith and seabrook

Panarin = Miss me yet?
TT = Miss me yet?
Hino = Miss me yet?
Hartman= Miss me yet?
Duclair = Miss me yet?
Fill in the blank..... Miss all of us yet?
Wake up Owner......Limit any more damage NOW.

Honestly Keith for Nylander would be a pretty good trade for both teams.
- Panarin27

That is a terrible trade for Toronto, Keith is 35 and getting worse every year. I'm not saying Nylander is the next Kane, but he's worth quite a bit more than a 35 year old number 3 dman.

Panarin = Miss me yet?
TT = Miss me yet?
Hino = Miss me yet?
Hartman= Miss me yet?
Duclair = Miss me yet?
Fill in the blank..... Miss all of us yet?
Wake up Owner......Limit any more damage NOW.
- Savoy

Have any of these players been on a cup winning team?

Have any of these players been on a cup winning team?
- powerenforcer

Japan lost ww2. How does that affect the NHL today? The exact same way your historical reasoning does.

Kunitz has a NMC. One would think a decent team would want him for a playoff run, even at this point in his career. But he has to want to be traded, regardless.

What can the team get for Schmaltz? Not that I say trade him, but I would for the right return. And what will it cost to sign him this summer?

What is the future with Hayden? I had high hopes for him before, but he seems to have hit a stumbling block.

My guess is Davidson goes on waivers once Forsling and Murphy come back. And one of Rutta or Manning gets dealt. Still wonder if Rutta has been playing hurt. I'm not convinced he's too slow to win routine icing footraces when healthy.

Kruger's salary comes off the books. He seems like a deadline move, too. Somebody should want him for the playoff push. I know many people on here perseverate about Kruger's salary, but it was an IOU for when he took the $1.5 million one year deal to help the team out of cap hell. He deserves every penny of that deal.

I think the Q firing did more damage than a lot of people think.

I think the Q firing did more damage than a lot of people think.
- Hank3Henshaw

Coaches don't play. Players play. They need better players. They had them but they wasted them for nothing.

Panarin = Miss me yet?
TT = Miss me yet?
Hino = Miss me yet?
Hartman= Miss me yet?
Duclair = Miss me yet?
Fill in the blank..... Miss all of us yet?
Wake up Owner......Limit any more damage NOW.
- Savoy

That's 2 guaranteed top 6 forwards and 3 bottom 6 probables that would undoubtedly have made this team more of a contender than they are currently.
WOW............that's horrendous mismanagement of young talent.
Who's to blame, Stan alone or EVERYBODY in the decision making process ?
If these decisions were made as a TEAM, this organization is in more trouble than we all are speculating.

Hayden has played horrible this year. Last year he would hit anything that moved this year he prefers not to and like the rest of the hawks forwards except Martinsen. Were not gonna be a playoff team this year. Sell high on anyone you can that won't be on the team in two years. Get some physical players to help assists and watch over all the kids that will be getting playing time in the nhl.

I think the Q firing did more damage than a lot of people think.
- Hank3Henshaw

The team needed change. And still needs more. The roster is old, thin and the schemes were not working. This will take two years easy before we see a legit turnaround. (Hopefully) JC will be fine. Hardest things to come are the trades that have to be made and should be made by the deadline. Can Stan do that? Do we want Stan making trades anymore?

That is a terrible trade for Toronto, Keith is 35 and getting worse every year. I'm not saying Nylander is the next Kane, but he's worth quite a bit more than a 35 year old number 3 dman.
- GPHawksfan

GP - exactly right. Why would Toronto want a 35 year old D-Man in a trade involving a very young player with his whole career in front of him? If Keith was involved in this trade at all, which I can’t see, he would be an additional piece.

Have any of these players been on a cup winning team?
- powerenforcer

Does that make them bad players?

Coaches don't play. Players play. They need better players. They had them but they wasted them for nothing.
- Savoy

The bad news is that mgt stripped this poor team. They have almost nobody else anybody wants. The good news is that they can still squander the upcoming draft picks which will be worth more to the other teams.

So Stan fires the #2 most winning coach in NHL history and the owner of 3 cup rings in an effort to save his own skin and make it look like 'it was his fault'? You want changes - start by getting rid of the problem where it started. This team is done for this year and most likely for years to come. THANK YOU STAN for returning us to the early 2000's when the Hawks were at the bottom of the league.Because of you and you alone we will dwell there until you are gone. But the damage you have inflicted will endure.

This does not/will not help

#Blackhawks latest update:
Marcus Kruger (left leg) is out tonight.
Brandon Saad (right arm) won't skate this morning. Status for tonight's game will be decided later.

I want to give some perspective on this recurring theme.

A lot of you claim to be old time Hawks fans. I don't think you really remember back far enough when you speak of "bad management".

I can take you back to the early 70s - when Bill Wirtz let Bobby Hull walk to the WHL, prompting thousands of season ticket holders turn in their seats. I can tell you that good ole Dollar Bill NEVER forgot that. At the time, he berated the Chicago fan base as disloyal. It prompted several low class moves - the worst in my eyes was firing Coach Reay with a pink slip under the coach's door.

I can also speak of several players meeting him with agents in tow, and Bill refusing to offer a contract, let alone negotiate. He never believed in a player dictating fair market value - you took what he offered, and would be happy to get it.

I fast forward to 2009 - when this piece of work died. Had that not happened, I am certain that Marian Hossa does not sign with the Hawks. And even if that team managed to luck into their first Cup, I seriously doubt that either Kane or Toews sees their 30 million "bridge" deals - which guarantees Cups #2 and 3 would never been realized.

I can also guarantee with Bill still owning the team, assets such as Keith, Sharp and Seabrook would have been sold off for lesser talent and draft picks - much of what some of you are clamoring for now. And he NEVER would have spent up to the cap limits to help this team compete. He took that one with him to his grave!!!!

This franchise would be in full rebuild mode right now - and would go back to being a complete failure in all aspects of a "professional" sports team.

So, whining and complaining about Stan Bowman, and John McDonough for the job done to keep this team in contending conversations for nearly a decade, and the price paid to do so in the Gary Bettman watered down parity era, I wouldn't be so quick to call them out for what's left of this team - after attempting to win multiple Cups. Did they fall short in some years - yes. But don't dismiss the effort. Past management would never have tried in the first place.
- dahawks8819

Agree with all of this. Bill Wirtz and Harold Ballard - 2 idiots generally responsible for long periods of darkness for their franchises.

Selling off proven talent in order to tank and rebuild from scratch is not a formula that works very often and it is usually 5 years plus of hell when a team takes that approach (Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona, Ottawa, Florida, Carolina). Accumulated draft picks and salary cap space assure nothing and don't sell tickets. Instead work harder at scouting and player development at the minor league level.

I just hope Stanley and McD are not serious about this team being a playoff team. I don't want Stanley to trade what little high end young players/prospects we have for some older players that may help this year to get us in the playoffs.

I just hope Stanley and McD are not serious about this team being a playoff team. I don't want Stanley to trade what little high end young players/prospects we have for some older players that may help this year to get us in the playoffs.
- HamiltonHawk

Well, if they do something like that, we'll all know - without any reasonable doubt - that they really and truly know very little about hockey.

Agree that Ruuta and Kunitz should be jettisoned, but Hayden should be retained because of his age, salary and a playing style that we lack.
- 67hawks

The problem is Hayden does NOT play physical anymore. Has decided he is Kane 2.0 - just bigger. His value to the Hawks goes way down if he does not play physical.

The problem is Hayden does NOT play physical anymore. Has decided he is Kane 2.0 - just bigger. His value to the Hawks goes way down if he does not play physical.
- Z3Hawk

Do you think he decided that or was told to change his style when he got back up here? He still seems to immediately jump into (or start) scrums when he is on the ice. Seems his instincts are to be more physical.

Agree with all of this. Bill Wirtz and Harold Ballard - 2 idiots generally responsible for long periods of darkness for their franchises.

Selling off proven talent in order to tank and rebuild from scratch is not a formula that works very often and it is usually 5 years plus of hell when a team takes that approach (Buffalo, Edmonton, Arizona, Ottawa, Florida, Carolina). Accumulated draft picks and salary cap space assure nothing and don't sell tickets. Instead work harder at scouting and player development at the minor league level.
- RickJ[/
Agree I don't think tanking on purpose is the way to go. Just don't trade to try and do a quick fix. As we know high draft picks don't always work out.
How long do you think it will take turn around? I'm thinking 3 years before they are very competitive.

I'm not ready to tear it down, crazier things have happened to teams on longer losing streaks.

They do need to dump some of the dead weight, either through trades or send downs to Rockford.

Anisimov, Martinsen, Manning, Kunitz, Hayden, Kampf, Johnson, Rutta. I wouldn't mind seeing all of them get either traded or time in Rockford.

The only players I've seen perform decently well are Kane, Toews in the first 5 games, Saad his last five games, Schmaltz, and Debrincat, and sometimes Kahun.

It's hard to make the playoffs with 6 'good' players. Get some new blood in here stat.

Does that make them bad players?
- HamiltonHawk

No, but not good enough to miss.