Why is Nylander asking for $8M?

(a) His numbers are similar to Marner and Eichel. The latter is making $10M and Marner is estimated to be Worth around $8.5M. Pastranak is a steal at $6.75. The last time you went to your boss for a raise i bet that you used the higher comparables.

(b) You dont typically get a NTC on your first deal if its Under $8M. Everybody and their grandmother has heard that the leafs need D and their best trade chip is WN. He wants to be a Leaf and win here

(c) If he does get signed and then traded....lets say to ARZ for OEL (just for poops and giggles) he would be their most skilled player. If that happens no way hes happy about making just $1M more than Galchenyuk for 8years while out-performing him significantly.

This is why the Leafs are going to have to raise their offer frm $6M to the $7M-$7.25M range
- Turnitaround

couple things. I am pretty sure you cant get a NTC as an RFA.

And if they cant afford willy at 7.5 or 8 (many are saying, but not me) how can they afford OEL and his 8.25?

The fact is that teams have to consider both trading valuable assets AND paying Nylander 8 million dollars. Can the kid carry a line on his own?
- Whiskey-Tango

agreed

and so far, he has not had the opportunity to show he can carry a line on his own. I haven't seen anything that suggest he definitely could.

MTL

Alzner+2nd+Niemi

couple things. I am pretty sure you cant get a NTC as an RFA.

And if they cant afford willy at 7.5 or 8 (many are saying, but not me) how can they afford OEL and his 8.25?
- senstroll

hehe you got me there mate! but i just used oel as an example of the type of good dman that the leafs would like to get as return and where WN would become one of if not THE top player on that roster. not taking contract, age, shooting hand etc into consideration

Can't do any worse than that Taylor Hall trade...

Nylander is nowhere close to Marner and Eichel. Nylander doesnt play defense, cant kill penalties and has only topped 20 goals once. He is as good as Ehlers which is the contract he should be expecting to receive.

Tanner is out to lunch saying they wont get fair value. How does he know what they will get? He wont be going to the Coyotes either unless they pony up OEL.
Look for Philly to come knocking with Sanheim a prospect and a first.

Oh, I forgot: he's a Maple Leaf, which makes him only slightly better than Mario Lemieux and Bobby Orr, two scrubs who never wore the blue Leaf. So yes, every NHL team should be clamoring to give up top-rate assets and pay him a ridiculous amount of money for a ridiculously long time.
- jmatchett383

Hey J, that was a little harsh.

Nylander comes from money and could make a decent living to supplement his family money in his home country. He has got a set of balls on him to play chicken with Dubas as well. I initially thought leafs had the most leverage here but I don’t think that’s the case.
Value in a trade? Only if the team can afford him and he wants to play for them. So his value has taken a hit... more leverage for nylander. In a system stacked against the players he is doing an admirable job of self-advocating
- ChrisMS

Oh well,

The question is not whether or not Nylander has lots of family money. The question is whether or not he is pricing himself out of his comprables (he is) and whether or not the Leafs can afford to pay him that much (they can't).

If he wants to play in the NHL AND make that kind of money and term, then Dubas can sit there and collect the 4 first rounders after the offer sheet. If no offer sheet is coming, Nylander can sit as long as he wants or go play elsewhere. He is still Leafs property.

Dubas simply can't afford to sign a bad contract. This isn't a staring contest.

couple things. I am pretty sure you cant get a NTC as an RFA.

And if they cant afford willy at 7.5 or 8 (many are saying, but not me) how can they afford OEL and his 8.25?
- senstroll

It always amuses me when Leafs fans suggest a return that has a higher cap that Nylander would if they paid him what he was asking.

couple things. I am pretty sure you cant get a NTC as an RFA.

And if they cant afford willy at 7.5 or 8 (many are saying, but not me) how can they afford OEL and his 8.25?
- senstroll

I think the idea of not affording him at 8mil is more a reaction to being able to afford him at that number while also affording JT, Matthews, Marner and completing out the rest of the roster and upgrading the defense. Which is also what I think Tessier's point was. So with this example. You could afford OEL because its upgrading your defense. But if that money is tied up in forwards how are you going to upgrade your defense.

hehe you got me there mate! but i just used oel as an example of the type of good dman that the leafs would like to get as return and where WN would become one of if not THE top player on that roster. not taking contract, age, shooting hand etc into consideration
- Turnitaround

oh I understand and agree. The Leafs should get a quality player back like that, but its not very likely.

what are you basing this on? hopefully not the media. 90% of the media covering the leafs is owned by the leafs (Sportnet, TSN) so of course they are gonna trash him in the court of public opinion and make him out to he the villan. if you think about it, we have only been given one side of the story.
- Turnitaround

This is based on:
Larkin making $5.5
Ehlers making $6x 7 years
Pasternak $6.75. (34 and 35 goal seasons)

All of these guys are comparable. No way does anyone pay Nylander $8Mil.

It always amuses me when Leafs fans suggest a return that has a higher cap that Nylander would if they paid him what he was asking.
- Aetherial

They can afford Nylander. They just dont want to pay him 8 million. He isnt elite.

Big difference paying an elite dman like OEL 8 million and a perimeter player 8 million

Nylander is nowhere close to Marner and Eichel. Nylander doesnt play defense, cant kill penalties and has only topped 20 goals once. He is as good as Ehlers which is the contract he should be expecting to receive.

Tanner is out to lunch saying they wont get fair value. How does he know what they will get? He wont be going to the Coyotes either unless they pony up OEL.
Look for Philly to come knocking with Sanheim a prospect and a first.
- legendguy

I will preface this by Saying, I am a big Marner fan, was since he was in Junior. On draft day I was praying the Leafs took him. I bought a Marner Jersey immediately.

That said, the Difference between Nylander and Marner is not that big.

How do they get 30 million in cap space the following season?

I think the idea of not affording him at 8mil is more a reaction to being able to afford him at that number while also affording JT, Matthews, Marner and completing out the rest of the roster and upgrading the defense. Which is also what I think Tessier's point was. So with this example. You could afford OEL because its upgrading your defense. But if that money is tied up in forwards how are you going to upgrade your defense.
- poisondhearts37

Having the big 4 on contracts in the 7-12 mil range each is not so much an issue.. But say Patrick Marleau at 6 mil is more of a problem.

The easy answer is you add Nylander and minus PM. There are articles out there and the cap has been crunched, they can have all 4 and make it work.

as for upgrading the D, well imo its not as bad as most make it seem. they also have to at some point start graduating thier own D who can play top 4 minutes. stop replying on trades

Why is Nylander asking for $8M?

(a) His numbers are similar to Marner and Eichel. The latter is making $10M and Marner is estimated to be Worth around $8.5M. Pastranak is a steal at $6.75. The last time you went to your boss for a raise i bet that you used the higher comparables.
- Turnitaround

Most people don't ask for a ridiculous raise when other people on staff are outperforming them and they only have 2 years of time in the company. They also don't let their Daddy do (any of) the negotiating.

The reason Marner is estimated at $8.5M is because his plays indicates it. Nylander's play does not.

So in this scenario, most bosses (assuming they weren't deeply offended) would mention he is already GETTING a significant raise (from his ~$1M ELC to $6+M) and if he thinks he's worth more than that, sign a short term deal and earn it.

And then tell him to get back to f**&%ing work or clean out his desk.

(b) You dont typically get a NTC on your first deal if its Under $8M. Everybody and their grandmother has heard that the leafs need D and their best trade chip is WN. He wants to be a Leaf and win here

Of course everybody knows the Leafs want D. That's not news. I'd argue their "best" trade chips are off the table and Nylander is their only EXPENDABLE trade chip. The Leafs could trade Marner, Matthews or Kadri in a heartbeat... Nylander, not so much. Which should tell you something.

As for wanting to be a Leaf... As a prior poster stated, he is a Swede and has no ties to the team or organization. He is more concerned with being a Rockstar or getting paid like one, whether that happens in Toronto or not I don't think concerns him a great deal.

(c) If he does get signed and then traded....lets say to ARZ for OEL (just for poops and giggles) he would be their most skilled player. If that happens no way hes happy about making just $1M more than Galchenyuk for 8years while out-performing him significantly.

ARZ is a bad metric... The NHL is running that team at a loss on a Cap Floor basis. That's like saying he'd be the prettiest pig in the sty (and he would be). Also, he'd have to actually, you know, OUTPERFORM somebody to be bitter especfially if he's getting paid more than they are. He's a good player on a skilled Leafs team, would he be the same kind of player on a stripped down ARZ team?

This is why the Leafs are going to have to raise their offer frm $6M to the $7M-$7.25M range

No, this is why they SHOULDN'T pay him $7-7.25M. He isn't worth that, everything about his attiutude and demeanour says he's "me first" player (which he likely comes by honestly) and the only reason the Leafs are even humouring this spoiled brat nonsense is because it IS a business and they are trying to win. So they will hold their nose and try to sign "Bill Ny- Holdout Guy" even though I'm sure everyone in management and half the team would love to tell him to sit and spin.

FWIW... I thought last year the Leafs should have dealt Nylander and re-signed JvR. He produces more points, is less of a headache, is a much bigger body, and occasionally goes to the front of the net (or there-abouts). Nylander is too worried about getting scuffed up for his Instagram pix.

Every team in the NHL needs to drop a burning bag of poo on Chirarelli's doorstep in EDM, because his over-paying players started this trend and has got journeyman 20 goal players thinking they should be paid like 40-50 goals scorers.

Chiarelli has almost single-handedly assured the next NHL lockout, IMHO.

They can afford Nylander. They just dont want to pay him 8 million. He isnt elite.

Big difference paying an elite dman like OEL 8 million and a perimeter player 8 million
- legendguy

No, they can't afford him, or any other player at 8+

Go look at their cap situation over the next few years.

They can afford Nylander. They just dont want to pay him 8 million. He isnt elite.

Big difference paying an elite dman like OEL 8 million and a perimeter player 8 million
- legendguy

these Nylander takes are nauseating. Not elite and perimeter player

he is a first line talent, his production at age 19-21 puts him in some pretty rare company. definitions of elite can vary..but he is really (frank)ing good.

Nylander is nowhere close to Marner and Eichel. Nylander doesnt play defense, cant kill penalties and has only topped 20 goals once. He is as good as Ehlers which is the contract he should be expecting to receive.

Tanner is out to lunch saying they wont get fair value. How does he know what they will get? He wont be going to the Coyotes either unless they pony up OEL.
Look for Philly to come knocking with Sanheim a prospect and a first.
- legendguy

So let me get this straight.
Nylander is no where near as good as Marner or Eichel.
but
Phoenix can't get him unless they pony up OEL?


You can't be on both sides of this fence.
If you believe Nylander is elite then you believe the leafs should have just paid him along time ago.

If you don't think he is that good (as I don't) then you have to lower your trade value.


Nylander for Sanheim is fair market value and equivalent to Turris for Runblad (at the time before Runblad sucked).

“The best fit for Nylander is any team.” Wrong. Most teams can’t afford 8+ mill for a one trick pony that doesn’t back check and doesn’t go to the dirty areas. With all the time he has already missed it will take him the rest of the season to get into game shape. If the tan man could stop tossing the leafs salad for even a minute he might see that. Another delusional leaf fan getting paid to pimp that team out.

ok what is the consensus on willies worth in TODAYS NHL

He has had an impressive point tally, but he will also disapear every so often...

Im curious on what we all think here.
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What would be a fair dollar amount value for his services?

So let me get this straight.
Nylander is no where near as good as Marner or Eichel.
but
Phoenix can't get him unless they pony up OEL?


You can't be on both sides of this fence.
If you believe Nylander is elite then you believe the leafs should have just paid him along time ago.

If you don't think he is that good (as I don't) then you have to lower your trade value.


Nylander for Sanheim is fair market value and equivalent to Turris for Runblad (at the time before Runblad sucked).
- B-Wforever

I feel like Dubas would get laughed out of the room if he brought up a Nylander OEL swap. Nylander is a special talent, true #1 dmen are priceless. He's no Chia so he'd definitely get a better return than Hall did, but if you got lets say Pesce + or Sanheim & Simmonds would be a good haul. That being said, no way in hell I'd want Nylander on the Flyers for 8M a year.

ok what is the consensus on willies worth in TODAYS NHL

He has had an impressive point tally, but he will also disapear every so often...

Im curious on what we all think here.
.
What would be a fair dollar amount value for his services?
- mel_vin

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Why is Nylander asking for $8M?

(a) His numbers are similar to Marner and Eichel. The latter is making $10M and Marner is estimated to be Worth around $8.5M. Pastranak is a steal at $6.75. The last time you went to your boss for a raise i bet that you used the higher comparables.

(b) You dont typically get a NTC on your first deal if its Under $8M. Everybody and their grandmother has heard that the leafs need D and their best trade chip is WN. He wants to be a Leaf and win here

(c) If he does get signed and then traded....lets say to ARZ for OEL (just for poops and giggles) he would be their most skilled player. If that happens no way hes happy about making just $1M more than Galchenyuk for 8years while out-performing him significantly.

This is why the Leafs are going to have to raise their offer frm $6M to the $7M-$7.25M range
- Turnitaround

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