.......someone mentioned Nylander is TO's best trade chip for a D man. I think Kapinen is becoming a pretty good trade chip as well. He is working hard out there and looking good. To me, I would not trade Kapi though, leave Kapinen with Matthews and trade Nylander for that elusive Dman. Kapi has paid his dues and we should keep him. The Leafs have some pretty good young D coming up with Sandin and Lliligren..........although they will be a couple of years.

ok what is the consensus on willies worth in TODAYS NHL

He has had an impressive point tally, but he will also disapear every so often...

Im curious on what we all think here.
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What would be a fair dollar amount value for his services?
- mel_vin

6-7M range seems reasonable, I'd really only want him on the Flyers for the low end of that just because of our cap situation though.

I feel like Dubas would get laughed out of the room if he brought up a Nylander OEL swap. Nylander is a special talent, true #1 dmen are priceless. He's no Chia so he'd definitely get a better return than Hall did, but if you got lets say Pesce + or Sanheim & Simmonds would be a good haul. That being said, no way in hell I'd want Nylander on the Flyers for 8M a year.
- Girouxsalem90

OEL doesnt make any sense imo. he will be 28 when his 8.25 mil contract Starts..thats gross

I guess he could be Chara or Burns and be elite well into his 30s, but thats not a bet id make

The only thing I care about is that Dubas is holding out right now. I like him sticking to his guns here. He knows the team is in a cap crunch moving forward and can't give in.

I hope he does similar to Marner and Matthews. (I'd really like to see Matthews with 8 x 11 as a home town discount). Marner should be 8 - 8.5. He isn't Kucherov who is at 9.5.

.......someone mentioned Nylander is TO's best trade chip for a D man. I think Kapinen is becoming a pretty good trade chip as well. He is working hard out there and looking good. To me, I would not trade Kapi though, leave Kapinen with Matthews and trade Nylander for that elusive Dman. Kapi has paid his dues and we should keep him. The Leafs have some pretty good young D coming up with Sandin and Lliligren..........although they will be a couple of years.
- Bullot

Contract dispute asside, who would you rather between the two? Kapi or Willie?

OEL doesnt make any sense imo. he will be 28 when his 8.25 mil contract Starts..thats gross

I guess he could be Chara or Burns and be elite well into his 30s, but thats not a bet id make
- senstroll

Definitely could get ugly towards the end, but if you made a trade like that would you really be that concerned about the last 2-4 years after getting a couple cups?

ok what is the consensus on willies worth in TODAYS NHL

He has had an impressive point tally, but he will also disapear every so often...

Im curious on what we all think here.
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What would be a fair dollar amount value for his services?
- mel_vin

Depends on term.

Long term - 7 isn't unreasonable .....6.5 or less would be a discount for Dubas.
Short term - 5.5 for 2 or 3 years.

The short term deal would be a win for the Leafs b/c it sidesteps Marleau's contract.

OEL doesnt make any sense imo. he will be 28 when his 8.25 mil contract Starts..thats gross

I guess he could be Chara or Burns and be elite well into his 30s, but thats not a bet id make
- senstroll

I don't think for a second OEL would be considered such an amazing D in Toronto. The guy has done nothing to prove he's elite at all.

Send him to Seattle for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks.

No, they can't afford him, or any other player at 8+

Go look at their cap situation over the next few years.
- Aetherial

The cap is going up quite a bit the next few years. That MGM deal will help a lot. Same with Seattle expansion.

I don't think for a second OEL would be considered such an amazing D in Toronto. The guy has done nothing to prove he's elite at all.
- RogerRoeper

The Flyers just recently played Arizona in a home and away set. Small sample size I know but watching OEL play, he is the real deal. No doubt about it.

I feel like Dubas would get laughed out of the room if he brought up a Nylander OEL swap. Nylander is a special talent, true #1 dmen are priceless. He's no Chia so he'd definitely get a better return than Hall did, but if you got lets say Pesce + or Sanheim & Simmonds would be a good haul. That being said, no way in hell I'd want Nylander on the Flyers for 8M a year.
- Girouxsalem90

If I were you, there's no way I'd want to lose Simmonds either! (frank)ing love that guy!!
And that's sayin' something coming from a Rangers fan!!

ok what is the consensus on willies worth in TODAYS NHL

He has had an impressive point tally, but he will also disapear every so often...

Im curious on what we all think here.
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What would be a fair dollar amount value for his services?
- mel_vin

I look at it like this:


Jeff skinner with buffalo has 12 goals
Do you think he’ll get Mitch Marner money on next contract or patty kane?
Answer is no. He is not a line driver like marner or kane.
Skinner is doing well cuz he’s got two good line mates one of which can drive the play ( making everyone better including skinner etc)

Nylander is not a line driver and he doesn’t make everyone better around him. Doesn’t back check bad in his own zone. Matthews is a line driver as is marner they make everyone better that plays with them on any given night. Nylander is a very skilled player and good skater and deserves Pastrnak money. Marner will reap way more because remember last year Kadri wasn’t going and Babcock put marner and marleau with him. We all know the results.

If I were you, there's no way I'd want to lose Simmonds either! (frank)ing love that guy!!
And that's sayin' something coming from a Rangers fan!!
- Tonybere

Don't want to lose him, don't want to pay him 6+ million after this year right when (typically) players who play his style start to break down. It sucks ass either way haha.

I don't think for a second OEL would be considered such an amazing D in Toronto. The guy has done nothing to prove he's elite at all.
- RogerRoeper

I think you need to take another look. He's quite good, really. Heck of a cap hit, though.

Don't want to lose him, don't want to pay him 6+ million after this year right when (typically) players who play his style start to break down. It sucks ass either way haha.
- Girouxsalem90

Fair point. But to me, if he had been a Ranger throughout his career, I'd want him to retire as one.

I think you need to take another look. He's quite good, really. Heck of a cap hit, though.
- Tonybere

I mean he likes playing in Arizona, and wouldn't give his first born to play for the leafs, so how good could he be?

6-7M range seems reasonable, I'd really only want him on the Flyers for the low end of that just because of our cap situation though.
- Girouxsalem90

Flyers cap situation isn't a problem.

Fair point. But to me, if he had been a Ranger throughout his career, I'd want him to retire as one.
- Tonybere

It's extremely conflicting, if he would sign at 5M I would be pumped, but at the same time the guy is an animal and deserves to get paid, I just am horrified of getting back into cap hell after spending the last few years trying to escape it.

Ahhhh do you don’t want Dubas to fill any holes of the players leaving who are taking up cap space now?

Got it.
- Peter.Tessier

I have no idea what you're saying here or what your point is.

Are you saying the Leafs should make a bad trade just for the sake of it? Are you saying the only way the Leafs can fill holes is by trading Nylander because its against league rules for them to not include him trades?

I don't think you "got it". Certainly not with the above post/comment i quoted.

Flyers cap situation isn't a problem.
- MJL

It might be once we have to pay Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom, Provorov, and to a lesser extend Hagg and Sanheim. I want them to maintain some flexibility. It's easy to have a good cap situation when you have a second line and top D pair on entry level contracts.

It's extremely conflicting, if he would sign at 5M I would be pumped, but at the same time the guy is an animal and deserves to get paid, I just am horrified of getting back into cap hell after spending the last few years trying to escape it.
- Girouxsalem90

Solid logic and reasoning, with an even-temper. Are you sure you're a Flyers fan?!?!?

Solid logic and reasoning, with an even-temper. Are you sure you're a Flyers fan?!?!?
- Tonybere

I'm from NY so I've got the best of both worlds thing going haha.

Oh well,

The question is not whether or not Nylander has lots of family money. The question is whether or not he is pricing himself out of his comprables (he is) and whether or not the Leafs can afford to pay him that much (they can't).

If he wants to play in the NHL AND make that kind of money and term, then Dubas can sit there and collect the 4 first rounders after the offer sheet. If no offer sheet is coming, Nylander can sit as long as he wants or go play elsewhere. He is still Leafs property.

Dubas simply can't afford to sign a bad contract. This isn't a staring contest.
- Aetherial

You assume playing in the nhl is his top priority. If it was I would think he’d be on the ice right now. No one is offering a sheet. So Dubas is stuck. He can’t afford a long term expensive deal due to other contracts coming up. And he is losing playing time of a top six winger before the cap really hits home. Once Marner and Mathews come into money it’s a challenge to build depth to win a cup. Look at Chicago.

I will preface this by Saying, I am a big Marner fan, was since he was in Junior. On draft day I was praying the Leafs took him. I bought a Marner Jersey immediately.

That said, the Difference between Nylander and Marner is not that big.
- senstroll

If you don't think so, you aren't watching Leaf games.
There is a pretty big difference between those two players - it's not all about the box score.