So let me get this straight.
Nylander is no where near as good as Marner or Eichel.
but
Phoenix can't get him unless they pony up OEL?


You can't be on both sides of this fence.
If you believe Nylander is elite then you believe the leafs should have just paid him along time ago.

If you don't think he is that good (as I don't) then you have to lower your trade value.


Nylander for Sanheim is fair market value and equivalent to Turris for Runblad (at the time before Runblad sucked).
- B-Wforever

these Nylander takes are nauseating. Not elite and perimeter player

he is a first line talent, his production at age 19-21 puts him in some pretty rare company. definitions of elite can vary..but he is really (frank)ing good.
- senstroll

Really how was his playoffs?

No, they can't afford him, or any other player at 8+

Go look at their cap situation over the next few years.
- Aetherial

Yes they can I suggest you look at their cap. They have 7 million alone coming off the books with Gardiner and Hainsey as UFAs

The cap could be as high as 84 million next year.

Pass on Chychrun, Leafs don't need a project, they need a proven young player who can step in right now and not miss a beat. If they need to fill a hole on D then so be it but I think if they want the best value, another winger would probably be a good deal. As deep the the Leafs are up front, they're kind weak at LW, Marleau is getting older, Hyman is not a first line winger and the rest are a revolving door of players. Nylander could secure an elite top six LW, though I dont know who would be available out there.

You assume playing in the nhl is his top priority. If it was I would think he’d be on the ice right now. No one is offering a sheet. So Dubas is stuck. He can’t afford a long term expensive deal due to other contracts coming up. And he is losing playing time of a top six winger before the cap really hits home. Once Marner and Mathews come into money it’s a challenge to build depth to win a cup. Look at Chicago.
- ChrisMS

Leafs are fine without Nylander...he can sit and watch from home and make $0 this year....than be back in the same boat next summer.

Would the Leafs love to have them in their roster? Yes!
Do the Leafs need him so badly that they will sign a bad deal? No!
Will the Leafs make a bad trade just to bring more bodies in? No!

Nylander has zero leverage in the current situation...let him sit and rot.

Leafs are fine without Nylander...he can sit and watch from home and make $0 this year....than be back in the same boat next summer.

Would the Leafs love to have them in their roster? Yes!
Do the Leafs need him so badly that they will sign a bad deal? No!
Will the Leafs make a bad trade just to bring more bodies in? No!

Nylander has zero leverage in the current situation...let him sit and rot.
- Cooshie

He can play for a khl or euro team. He doesn’t have to make zero.

Hoping he “rots” is the mentality of a fan of a consistent losing team. That does nothing to help team now (and after 50 years and with stars on elcs it should be won now). Best move is a trade, even if it’s for quarters on the dollar. Otherwise the only thing that’s being helped is the teams and fans egos.

Really how was his playoffs?
- legendguy

One playoff round doesnt define a player. That whole line, including Matthews, were schooled by the Bruins, it's a learning process. I thought Nylander was actually decent, they just couldn't get anything going.

He can play for a khl or euro team. He doesn’t have to make zero.

Hoping he “rots” is the mentality of a fan of a consistent losing team. That does nothing to help team now (and after 50 years and with stars on elcs it should be won now). Best move is a trade, even if it’s for quarters on the dollar. Otherwise the only thing that’s being helped is the teams and fans egos.
- ChrisMS

Meh, if its not a good trade dont bother.

Strengthen another team for a third liner or 3rd pairing D does nothing for us.

One playoff round doesnt define a player. That whole line, including Matthews, were schooled by the Bruins, it's a learning process. I thought Nylander was actually decent, they just couldn't get anything going.
- 13sundin13

I hear you. Nylander is a good player. I for one would be kinda sad if they traded him. Him with Matthews and Hyman brought a lot of excitement

Ahhhh do you don’t want Dubas to fill any holes of the players leaving who are taking up cap space now?

Got it.
- Peter.Tessier

Hainsey and Gardiner free up 7 mil. No secret the leafs need to make some changes on the backend. They have some young players coming.

It's not like Dubas can't sign Nylander because of Tavares and Matthews. He could easily sign him to a reasonable contract, have a playoff run and trade him at the draft.. or on July 1 he could cut salary elsewhere and have a top heavy lineup. He has $30 mil in cap to sign Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Kapanen.

The problem would be in signing a player to an unreasonable contract which reduces his asset value. A franchise that can contend long term is not one built of boat anchors.

Nylander for Ekblad, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Hamilton...

OR GTFO.

Meh, if its not a good trade dont bother.

Strengthen another team for a third liner or 3rd pairing D does nothing for us.
- Garnie

I don't see why the Leafs would have to settle for pennies on the dollar. That Nylander is a top 6 talent is indisputable. They don't have to make a move, so that should let them entertain decent offers.
I'm not sure I'm totally on board, but the banter on the Rangers thread is what would we have to package along with Skjei to get him. Now, say what you want about Skjei, but he is neither a project, nor a 3rd pairing Dman. Especially on the Leafs blueline. If you disagree, you need to watch him some more. He would instantly strengthen your biggest weakness. And if they were also to land a winger prospect and a draft pick, that wouldn't be too hard to take, would it?

Nylander for Ekblad, Pietrangelo, Doughty or Hamilton...

OR GTFO.
- Unholy_Goalie

Seems reasonable.

Seems reasonable.
- Tonybere

Leafs don't "have" to trade Nylander. It's not a Karlsson situation. If there isn't a way to get a legit #1 RHD (even by adding to Nylander to balance the scales) then there's no good reason to trade him.

It's simple. Either he gets signed or he gets traded for what the team needs (#1 RHD). Trading him for less than what they need shouldn't be an option.

Leafs don't "have" to trade Nylander. It's not a Karlsson situation. If there isn't a way to get a legit #1 RHD (even by adding to Nylander to balance the scales) then there's no good reason to trade him.

It's simple. Either he gets signed or he gets traded for what the team needs (#1 RHD). Trading him for less than what they need shouldn't be an option.
- Unholy_Goalie

I can see your point. But, I'm coming from the thinking that maybe they don't need an absolute #1 RHD. Maybe just making a solid improvement to the D corp overall is enough to give them a REALLY good shot at the Cup. Doesn't that make it worth getting it done, rather than sitting on a great asset?

Ahhhh do you don’t want Dubas to fill any holes of the players leaving who are taking up cap space now?

Got it.
- Peter.Tessier

Tessier, any chance you can re-write that comment English? Thx

I can see your point. But, I'm coming from the thinking that maybe they don't need an absolute #1 RHD. Maybe just making a solid improvement to the D corp overall is enough to give them a REALLY good shot at the Cup. Doesn't that make it worth getting it done, rather than sitting on a great asset?
- Tonybere

Nope. They really need a #1 RHD. The Leafs right side is atrocious and while Rielly has been putting up solid point totals this year, he's more of a #2 given his defensive game is spotty at times.

Nylander is their golden ticket to get a #1 RHD, they can't burn that kind of asset to end up with just a 2nd pairing defender. If they can get him back on the ice, get his point totals back up, they can trade him another day in the future when other teams may have better, more suitable assets available.

Contract dispute asside, who would you rather between the two? Kapi or Willie?
- mel_vin

Dépends....on a roster loaded with young guns with superstar potential, i would rather keep Kapi because hes a hard worker with good offensive upside.

If i am an old team with elite fwds that are aging (LA) or a terrible team like the Leafs from a decade ago then I want Willie over Kapi. You cant teach offensive instinct you either have it or dont. BB made the same assessment when he traded picks that were seguin and Hamilton (and that 2nd rounder..) for Kessel who had a league wide reputation of have a poor character, being poor defensively, etc etc

Id take Kapanen + 3-4 mil salary cap space vs Nylander and no cap space

On Matthews line, they're not going to be far apart imo, although Nylander has better capability in terms of dancing through other players, where Kapanen has better speed and actual grinding ability along the boards and in the corners. Kapanen has a bit of a workhorse mentality to his game that Nylander has not really displayed.

Nope. They really need a #1 RHD. The Leafs right side is atrocious and while Rielly has been putting up solid point totals this year, he's more of a #2 given his defensive game is spotty at times.

Nylander is their golden ticket to get a #1 RHD, they can't burn that kind of asset to end up with just a 2nd pairing defender. If they can get him back on the ice, get his point totals back up, they can trade him another day in the future when other teams may have better, more suitable assets available.
- Unholy_Goalie

Almost no winger gets you a number 1 d man. Especially a rhd. In fact I can’t really think of any... Kane? Damn expensive. Kucherov? Hall? I doubt any winger in the league gets you that ask... let alone nylander

Id take Kapanen + 3-4 mil salary cap space vs Nylander and no cap space

On Matthews line, they're not going to be far apart imo, although Nylander has better capability in terms of dancing through other players, where Kapanen has better speed and actual grinding ability along the boards and in the corners. Kapanen has a bit of a workhorse mentality to his game that Nylander has not really displayed.
- Buggy166

I would just take both.

Meh, if its not a good trade dont bother.

Strengthen another team for a third liner or 3rd pairing D does nothing for us.
- Garnie

That would be pennies on the dollar to me... not quarters. I would think getting a decent 2nd liner or a middle pair d man is possible. But the current situation likely means leafs don’t get equal value back. But that’s the cap world.

If you don't think so, you aren't watching Leaf games.
There is a pretty big difference between those two players - it's not all about the box score.
- Cooshie

Thats unfair and silly thing to say that if he sees it different from you then it must mean he doesnt Watch leaf games. i guess i can then go ahead and assume that you have a "Good ol Canadian/Toronto boy" bias when it comes to Marner over Nylander?
I think both are equally talented in their own way.

I remember media and fans bashing Nylander on the day he was drafted (and the next day) calling him "small, pretty boy" etc. One year later Marner was drafted and media and fans sang a different tune. Marner was McJesus except for McJesus himself being in the draft that year. i seen several blogs reassess the 2 drafts and opine that Marner may have gone a tad bit higher than he should have and Nylander could have gone top 5 in his year.

Fine ,I’ll start.

We will offer up Sanheim for him.

Oh, I forgot: he's a Maple Leaf, which makes him only slightly better than Mario Lemieux and Bobby Orr, two scrubs who never wore the blue Leaf. So yes, every NHL team should be clamoring to give up top-rate assets and pay him a ridiculous amount of money for a ridiculously long time.
- jmatchett383

Whoaaa....settle down, slugger

Your inferiority complex is showing....