There is obviously a part of that in negotiations for young players...there always has.

But you can’t give Nylander the money because he might put up Pasternak or Gaudreau numbers if he put up 75 points and 34 goals in 75 games then yes, we can pay him like he will. But he didn’t.

Dubas isn’t dumb enough to give into this and we will see if Nylander is dumb enough to miss out on a season to prove a point.
- Santo_44

if you look at just 5v5 points. they are pretty close. WN is one of the better 5v5 scorers in the League. its just the PP thats the difference if you look at last season

points at 5v5
WN - 45 (13 Power play)
DP - 48 (26 powerplay)

Power play results can vary a lot season to season. the 5v5 results gives you a much better idea of whats going on.

Leafs are lucky WN had a down season on the PP or he would have 70-75 points also

Linemates make of the rest of the diff imo

- PinkSock

This site would explode if we traded willie for that crap
Lol

They dont get a share in the gambling money, just selling their data. So it might not be as big as you'd hope.
- Archaic

I'm sure they're not selling the data for cheap though?

if you look at just 5v5 points. they are pretty close. WN is one of the better 5v5 scorers in the League. its just the PP thats the difference if you look at last season

points at 5v5
WN - 45 (13 Power play)
DP - 48 (26 powerplay)

Power play results can vary a lot season to season. the 5v5 results gives you a much better idea of whats going on.

Leafs are lucky WN had a down season on the PP or he would have 70-75 points also

Linemates make of the rest of the diff imo
- senstroll

A down season?
He had the same amount of points as the prior year, nothing to suggest it was a down season on the pp or otherwise. Just making up stuff now.

if you look at just 5v5 points. they are pretty close. WN is one of the better 5v5 scorers in the League. its just the PP thats the difference if you look at last season

points at 5v5
WN - 45 (13 Power play)
DP - 48 (26 powerplay)

Power play results can vary a lot season to season. the 5v5 results gives you a much better idea of whats going on.

Leafs are lucky WN had a down season on the PP or he would have 70-75 points also

Linemates make of the rest of the diff imo
- senstroll

That’s fantastic.

Two seasons in a row he didn’t get those points...that is not a positive in his negotiation points. Its a negative.

if you look at just 5v5 points. they are pretty close. WN is one of the better 5v5 scorers in the League. its just the PP thats the difference if you look at last season

points at 5v5
WN - 45 (13 Power play)
DP - 48 (26 powerplay)

Power play results can vary a lot season to season. the 5v5 results gives you a much better idea of whats going on.

Leafs are lucky WN had a down season on the PP or he would have 70-75 points also

Linemates make of the rest of the diff imo
- senstroll

But Willie is playing with Matthews, one of the best 5 vs 5 in the past 2 years. Has to skew his numbers.

Willie: Listen, I want $7m to $8m per...

Harry Potter: Me too Willie, but Hyman scored as many goals 5v5 as you did last year and he's only getting $2m....take the $6m and make out like you won the lottery.

Willie: Listen, I want $7m to $8m per...

Harry Potter: Me too Willie, but Hyman scored as many goals 5v5 as you did last year and he's only getting $2m....take the $6m and make out like you won the lottery.
- Garnie

I'm sure they're not selling the data for cheap though?
- Scabeh

No, but its nothing compared to the money made from gambling.

No, but its nothing compared to the money made from gambling.
- Archaic

I thought the NHL had parts of it.... it does make things way more ethical though.

I thought the NHL had parts of it.... it does make things way more ethical though.
- Scabeh

Yes it does

I thought the NHL had parts of it.... it does make things way more ethical though.
- Scabeh

The NHL didn't - and still doesn't - want anything to do with gambling.

Since the US Supreme Court legalized sports betting it would be stupid not to take part in it, make some profit and try to drive the conversation.

Bettman said that the league should bring in about $300M this season from it, so they're doing a lot more than 'selling data.'

The NHL didn't - and still doesn't - want anything to do with gambling.

Since the US Supreme Court legalized sports betting it would be stupid not to take part in it, make some profit and try to drive the conversation.

Bettman said that the league should bring in about $300M this season from it, so they're doing a lot more than 'selling data.'
- TrashPanda

Really, they said that much somewhere? They should really sign these players soon then

Willie: Listen, I want $7m to $8m per...

Harry Potter: Me too Willie, but Hyman scored as many goals 5v5 as you did last year and he's only getting $2m....take the $6m and make out like you won the lottery.
- Garnie

Done.

The NHL didn't - and still doesn't - want anything to do with gambling.

Since the US Supreme Court legalized sports betting it would be stupid not to take part in it, make some profit and try to drive the conversation.

Bettman said that the league should bring in about $300M this season from it, so they're doing a lot more than 'selling data.'
- TrashPanda

According to bettman, its a set amount yearly.

A down season?
He had the same amount of points as the prior year, nothing to suggest it was a down season on the pp or otherwise. Just making up stuff now.
- Fakepartofme

his PP points were down from 26 to 12, so yes he was down. WN and AM were on the second PP unit, they didnt get the top minutes so yes that matters.

I am not making stuff up. Opportunity and PP minutes matter a lot to a players production. I am not making this up, its actually a thing

so his 5v5 production improved from 31 to 45. so at evens when it matters he got better by a large margin.

if you think thats not important..well good luck

I think Senstroll brings some valid points to the conversation. At least from my perspective.

Since when do we discuss things to change one's mind anyway?
- Scabeh

Yeah, he does have valid points. I won't argue that..

The player perspective: "I should be paid X amount of dollars, because I will score 30 goals in this league in no time and be a top tier player soon".

Management perspective: "No, you'll sign for this because you haven't done any of those things yet"

We'll see how this plays out, and hopefully, it's a positive outcome for all sides.

There is a watch in my add section.
- bixll

I have barbies and My little pony toy ads

According to bettman, its a set amount yearly.
- Fakepartofme

Maybe, but what he doesn't control are the betting games. I'm sure the vast majority of that money comes from licensing NHL trademarks, so the more people offering games the more revenue they will make.

But Willie is playing with Matthews, one of the best 5 vs 5 in the past 2 years. Has to skew his numbers.
- bixll

but Pastrnak is playing with 2 players just as good as Matthews.. that has to skew his numbers

- AdamFrench

Still fixing drivers eh

- AdamFrench

but Pastrnak is playing with 2 players just as good as Matthews.. that has to skew his numbers
- senstroll

Yup, But Pastrnak is playing hockey. Not pulling his wire in Sweden.

but Pastrnak is playing with 2 players just as good as Matthews.. that has to skew his numbers
- senstroll

Are you saying Hyman is not as good as Marchand?