[quote=PatC80]


Christmas shopping, or forget it, none of our business.

his PP points were down from 26 to 12, so yes he was down. WN and AM were on the second PP unit, they didnt get the top minutes so yes that matters.

I am not making stuff up. Opportunity and PP minutes matter a lot to a players production. I am not making this up, its actually a thing

so his 5v5 production improved from 31 to 45. so at evens when it matters he got better by a large margin.

if you think thats not important..well good luck
- senstroll

As a fan or writer it’s cool when you can dig into the stats and try to evaluate how a player actually did in the season.

But it does not work that way in a negotiation...you can’t say “I sucked on the PP but I could of gotten 20 more points if I was better. Give me my money now please.”

Marner has 2:10 mins of PP per game while Nylander had 2 mins....they both got power play time. I agree that if he was on the top unit like Matthews is this season then his point totals would go up.

But there is zero guarantee of this. Honestly it looks like he will be on the 2nd unit when everyone is healthy....

So you can’t be Dubas and give into a guy that’s saying “I could of easily gotten more points on the PP last season. BUT ignore Marner getting the same PP time as me...because it doesn’t help my argument”

his PP points were down from 26 to 12, so yes he was down. WN and AM were on the second PP unit, they didnt get the top minutes so yes that matters.

I am not making stuff up. Opportunity and PP minutes matter a lot to a players production. I am not making this up, its actually a thing

so his 5v5 production improved from 31 to 45. so at evens when it matters he got better by a large margin.

if you think thats not important..well good luck
- senstroll

Or maybe 26 was a one time thing.
It works both ways.
Hes a 60 pt guy.
Could he hit 70 one day, maybe...sure.
But he has yet to do so.

Are you saying Hyman is not as good as Marchand?
- PatC80

now you are just making stuff up

Still fixing drivers eh
- TheMussel

Invalid partition error now. Should have just told her she needs to use a (frank)ing headset and die in a fire.

The thing is Pastrnak is an example of why willie should hold out, not what he is worth.
Pastrnak should be getting 9-10 mil a season for his production
- senstroll

I agree with you generally but I think the 9/10 mil is based solely on production. If there was no such thing as RFA's then I'd agree. The RFA tag controls his value and looking at the productivity of RFA's and what they signed for I think 9/10 is too high. Look at Arbitration awards - their is a recognition that RFA and UFA $$ is not equal.

As a fan or writer it’s cool when you can dig into the stats and try to evaluate how a player actually did in the season.

But it does not work that way in a negotiation...you can’t say “I sucked on the PP but I could of gotten 20 more points if I was better. Give me my money now please.”

Marner has 2:10 mins of PP per game while Nylander had 2 mins....they both got power play time. I agree that if he was on the top unit like Matthews is this season then his point totals would go up.

But there is zero guarantee of this. Honestly it looks like he will be on the 2nd unit when everyone is healthy....

So you can’t be Dubas and give into a guy that’s saying “I could of easily gotten more points on the PP last season. BUT ignore Marner getting the same PP time as me...because it doesn’t help my argument”
- Santo_44

Great

Or maybe 26 was a one time thing.
It works both ways.
Hes a 60 pt guy.
Could he hit 70 one day, maybe...sure.
But he has yet to do so.
- Fakepartofme

my point is about 5v5 production.. i dont care about PP. that is highly dependent on opportunities, system and who else he is on the PP with.

[quote=bixll]

Yeah, Christmas shopping

my point is about 5v5 production.. i dont care about PP. that is highly dependent on opportunities, system and who else he is on the PP with.
- senstroll

He had the same PP oppurtunties his first two seasons....

You don’t pay players based on the fact you didn’t play them with Marner. A very silly way of thinking and obviously Dubas doesn’t have the same mindset as you.

I agree with you generally but I think the 9/10 mil is based solely on production. If there was no such thing as RFA's then I'd agree. The RFA tag controls his value and looking at the productivity of RFA's and what they signed for I think 9/10 is too high. Look at Arbitration awards - their is a recognition that RFA and UFA $$ is not equal.
- The Law

understood and whats why I was just speaking about production and the value.
Pastrnak could have still signed for 8mil and been worth it. Boston got lucky.

[quote=PatC80]


My girls are a little past that stage. Enjoy it however.

Oh No. Willie is not driving this bus. Willie is a passenger. His option is to sign or wait to see where he is playing this year. I suspect, pond hockey in Sweden.
- bixll

I wouldn’t even give him passenger status........more like bumper hitching !! A fond memory of my youth !!

He had the same PP oppurtunties his first two seasons....

You don’t pay players based on the fact you didn’t play them with Marner. A very silly way of thinking and obviously Dubas doesn’t have the same mindset as you.
- Santo_44

i am not saying that. holy (frank)

I agree with you generally but I think the 9/10 mil is based solely on production. If there was no such thing as RFA's then I'd agree. The RFA tag controls his value and looking at the productivity of RFA's and what they signed for I think 9/10 is too high. Look at Arbitration awards - their is a recognition that RFA and UFA $$ is not equal.
- The Law

I think what really killed the RFA market was the Draisaitl signing in Edmonton.
Most deals are a little higher AAV then they should be, and that's fine because you are buying up some UFA years, but the Draisaitl deal ruined RFA contracts for players coming off their ELC.

Another frustrating day in the Willie Ny saga coming up for the Leafs diehards...

- 21peter

I was thinking more like this:



Morning, fellas.

I think what really killed the RFA market was the Draisaitl signing in Edmonton.
Most deals are a little higher AAV then they should be, and that's fine because you are buying up some UFA years, but the Draisaitl deal ruined RFA contracts for players coming off their ELC.
- PatC80

Yep, but its an outlier. You cant base all contracts on a clear bad deal.

I wouldn’t even give him passenger status........more like bumper hitching !! A fond memory of my youth !!
- Mount Albert

He is making everyone in here crazy... Crazier.


He should just want to play for a ton of money.

[quote=bixll]


Yeah, she's 6 now.. So everything is rainbows, unicorns and Barbie.

i am not saying that. holy (frank)
- senstroll

Read back.

You basically are

Yep, but its an outlier. You cant base all contracts on a clear bad deal.
- Archaic

That's the issue. As a player agent, why wouldn't you?

[quote=PatC80]


Nice. Ya, my girls have 20 years on that. Their taste changes a little. New cars, houses, etc...

That's the issue. As a player agent, why wouldn't you?
- PatC80

I think I would be realistic. Sure ask large at first, but then be reasonable. Everyone knows that was a dumb deal, those guys arent stupid. Good for him getting it, but Nylander isnt getting that, and on top of that has never reached Draistl's numbers.

There are too many comparables to ignore

I think what really killed the RFA market was the Draisaitl signing in Edmonton.
Most deals are a little higher AAV then they should be, and that's fine because you are buying up some UFA years, but the Draisaitl deal ruined RFA contracts for players coming off their ELC.
- PatC80

I dont use him as an example for the same reason I dont see Pastrnak as one..they are not really great examples.

its just as easy to say LD is 8.5 for 29 goals, Willy is easily 7.5 or 8
But thats dumb

Oh, How many games does Karlsson need to get settled in and start playing defensive hockey??

Just wondering ?