What does Garth have to do with a serious conversation. The only player on the leafs that is better Jack is Matthews. Don't over rate Marner. 8 million maybe, 10 million is a laugh.
- msillen

Well how is this for serious? They are very close in terms of PPG....Jack = 1.15 PPG and Marner = 1.17 PPG.....difference being is that Jack was supposed to be on McDavids level....so of you are just going off of stats then those suggests that Marner = Jack so I guess that means Marner is indeed a 10 mil player

Edit: Career stats btw

Well how is this for serious? They are very close in terms of PPG....Jack = 1.15 PPG and Marner = 1.17 PPG.....difference being is that Jack was supposed to be on McDavids level....so of you are just going off of stats then those suggests that Marner = Jack so I guess that means Marner is indeed a 10 mil player

Edit: Career stats btw
- RatedR80

also; ECHL is waaay better at GM'ing

Should we start up the dump Matthews train then?

Nobody is debating how good Marner is. Nylander "not battling in the corners" is because he and Matthews together control the puck and the play VERY well.
- markmark

One average playoff round and he sucks. Matthews is the best player on the team.

I know right one average playoff round and he sucks. Matthews is the best player on the team.
- msillen

also; ECHL is waaay better at GM'ing
- 21peter

speaking of GMs you know of any good ones out there looking for work?

Should we start up the dump Matthews train then?

Nobody is debating how good Marner is. Nylander "not battling in the corners" is because he and Matthews together control the puck and the play VERY well.
- markmark

Fair enough, but Marner is superior at virtually every facet of the gamer to Nylander. Nylander probably has a better shot, but the idea that more controlled entries means Nylander controls the puck better is untrue. Marner holds on and skates circles around the other teams top defensive parings right now and makes plays. He takes over shifts. Nylander is a good player, but he isn't the one controlling the play on his line.

Well how is this for serious? They are very close in terms of PPG....Jack = 1.15 PPG and Marner = 1.17 PPG.....difference being is that Jack was supposed to be on McDavids level....so of you are just going off of stats then those suggests that Marner = Jack so I guess that means Marner is indeed a 10 mil player

Edit: Career stats btw
- RatedR80

Well you are misinformed with you Jack hate. He is a center not a wing and he is a better player open your eyes. He has a better trajectory than MacKinnon and Im not saying he's better but you have to open your eyes.

speaking of GMs you know of any good ones out there looking for work?
- RatedR80

oh hi

Well you are misinformed with you Jack hate. He is a center not a wing and he is a better player open your eyes. He has a better trajectory than MacKinnon and Im not saying he's better but you have to open your eyes.
- msillen

It’s not Jack hate it’s just stats and nothing more....if Jack starts living up to the billing then this isn’t even a convo to be had but he needs to stay healthy and make guys around him better....that’s the expectations of a “generational talent” which if I remember correctly that’s what people labeled him as

speaking of GMs you know of any good ones out there looking for work?
- RatedR80

Just because EDM and BUF screwed it all up for the rest of the NHL because they couldn't tell the difference between their leverage over a RFA versus a UFA does not mean that Dubas and the Leafs need to overpay Nylander, Matthews and Marner.

Explain to me why Tavares had to wait until his age 27 contract to get $11M? All of a sudden Marner is a $10M+ player at 22 because he's putting up points and plays for the Leafs? Get out of here with that poop.

Why is Pastrnak "underpaid" at $6.66M on a long-term deal with BOS? Because he didn't have the balls to bet on himself on a bridge deal and is now out-performing his number. Don't want that to happen to you Willy, Auston and Mitch? Realize that the NHL is not set-up for 22 year old's to hit home runs coming out of their ELC.

You can't rely on a poopty GM making long-term mistakes again...

Fair enough, but Marner is superior at virtually every facet of the gamer to Nylander. Nylander probably has a better shot, but the idea that more controlled entries means Nylander controls the puck better is untrue. Marner holds on and skates circles around the other teams top defensive parings right now and makes plays. He takes over shifts. Nylander is a good player, but he isn't the one controlling the play on his line.
- aminnes

The gap isn't $4M, and you're not giving Nylander his due. He's really good.

Just because EDM and BUF screwed it all up for the rest of the NHL because they couldn't tell the difference between their leverage over a RFA versus a UFA does not mean that Dubas and the Leafs needs to overpay Nylander, Matthews and Marner.

Explain to me why Tavares had to wait until his age 27 contract to get $11M? All of a sudden Marner is a $10M+ player because he's putting up points? Get out of here with that poop.

Why is Pastrnak "underpaid" at $6.66M on a long-term deal with BOS? Because he didn't have the balls to bet on himself on a bridge deal and is now out-performing his number. Don't want that to happen to you Willy, Auston and Mitch? Realize that the NHL is not set-up for 22 year old's to hit home runs coming out of their ELC.

You can't rely on a poopty GM making long-term mistakes again...
- Deeps27

It’s not Jack hate it’s just stats and nothing more....if Jack starts living up to the billing then this isn’t even a convo to be had but he needs to stay healthy and make guys around him better....that’s the expectations of a “generational talent” which if I remember correctly that’s what people labeled him as
- RatedR80

You don't know what you are talking about. Look at Mackinnon no matter how pedestrian his stats never read or seen he wasn't a great player. And with O Rielly gone its his team and he is playing lights out. You do dislike him or else you would know what a great player he is. Or maybe your reading rag sites that disseminate old ladies in the boutique gossiping

The gap isn't $4M, and you're not giving Nylander his due. He's really good.
- Deeps27

4 million? Nylander should get around 6-6.5. He's signing now after 3 years and 61 points. If Marner puts up 82 or more, after his third year, combined with the playoff performance (assuming that continues), then 8.5-9.5 is probably realistic. Keep in mind Marner has dominated since the last half of last year.

oh hi
- Steven_Seagull

How much do you want?

It’s not Jack hate it’s just stats and nothing more....if Jack starts living up to the billing then this isn’t even a convo to be had but he needs to stay healthy and make guys around him better....that’s the expectations of a “generational talent” which if I remember correctly that’s what people labeled him as
- RatedR80

Maybe these guys should "earn" their generational label? McDavid is amazing - as generational as they come - but he was still an RFA for 4 more years coming out of his ELC. So was Eichel, and he put up nowhere near the numbers of McD and really should have been signed to something in the 3 or 4 year range for around $6M per because he hadn't proved anything. Don't get me wrong, pay for potential, but let's be reasonable here. Don't even get me started on Draisaitl. That GROSS over payment with term is exactly what the Nylander camp is pointing to right now as the hold-up.

Well that is a ridicules comment. Marner is not worth 10 million which is what I see and hear. Your comment doesn't prove nothing its a baseless comment. Nylander =Marner so far
- msillen

What's truly ridiculous is the way you spell ridiculous, my friend.

4 million? Nylander should get around 6-6.5. He's signing now after 3 years and 61 points. If Marner puts up 82 or more, after his third year, combined with the playoff performance (assuming that continues), then 8.5-9.5 is probably realistic. Keep in mind Marner has dominated since the last half of last year.
- aminnes

8 million or wonderboy is not so wonderful

4 million? Nylander should get around 6-6.5. He's signing now after 3 years and 61 points. If Marner puts up 82 or more, after his third year, combined with the playoff performance (assuming that continues), then 8.5-9.5 is probably realistic. Keep in mind Marner has dominated since the last half of last year.
- aminnes

Okay, the gap isn't $2-$3M either. How's that? Plenty of people are speculating Marner will get $10M+...that's where the $4M came from.

You don't know what you are talking about. Look at Mackinnon no matter how pedestrian his stats never read or seen he wasn't a great player. And with O Rielly gone its his team and he is playing lights out. You do dislike him or else you would know what a great player he is. Or maybe your reading rag sites that disseminate old ladies in the boutique gossiping
- msillen

Listen fella I’m not suggesting that Jack is a bad player that would be rather stupid of me....in fact he is a very good one but not quite at the “generational” level that he was billed as.....surely you can understand this

The Leafs window is closing fast... Before you know it, Matthews and Marner will be 23.
- PatC80

time to queue the rebuild... tank nation all over again.

and to think the Leafs only had one #1 overall pick

- aminnes

Know who gets what I'm saying? Ken Cheveldayoff. And he's trying to get young star players to sign in Winnipeg freaking Manitoba.

Okay, the gap isn't $2-$3M either. How's that? Plenty of people are speculating Marner will get $10M+...that's where the $4M came from.
- Deeps27

I think it's tough to show your worth 8+ with 61 points, it's another thing if your over a PPG, which Marner will likely be.

Know who gets what I'm saying? Ken Cheveldayoff. And he's trying to get young star players to sign in Winnipeg freaking Manitoba.
- Deeps27

Yup. All the TO media spouts is over-inflated deals that give no credit to the leverage the clubs have over the player. Dubas is doing the right thing.