Hakstol didn’t have to take Konecny off the ice at the end of the game or the top line in the middle of it when he wasn’t sharp for most of it?
- SuperSchennBros

That line and the second line are your bread and butter and you are chasing the game. I leave TK there. Hell if he does remove him then everyone is screaming he benched him but won't bench G and Jake when they have a bad game.

But people act like they just got torched 8-1. Even in the 1st period 0-0 the fans were booing. To me that's not enjoying hockey...that's where's my beer, did they they score yet, booooooo.
- Glak18

That’s fair. You can say what you will, but if you look around on the interwebs - there is a lot of displeasure mainly around some of the things we talk about here. For right or wrong, and I have to stress that - it seems a lot of people dislike Hak. It would make sense if that has transferred over to fans in attendance as well. Viewership dropped 25% last year.

People are kind of tired and frustrated, easy to swing to the neg side of things that way and boo for example. Folks also are used to a team that’s aggressive, especially physically. You can’t really say aggression is what you think of with this club.

Could be wrong, but my take on it anyway.

Don’t get the angst wrong, people (me included) want them to do well and get to that elite caliber for a few years.

Certainly not a blow out loss. Wish that the Flyers would have played the whole game the way they played most of the 3rd. The PP is needed. Elliott still playing great.

Need to come back with the win next game.

I'm pretty chill I was just trying to understand how it got to that but I do feel like the team at the beginning of the year was worse than last year but the recent stretch has been a lot better so I'm a little more lenient when they lose a tight game to a solid team
- ajw12

The Flyers are 9-8-1, they were 8-8-2 at this point last year and just starting their 10 game losing streak. Stay away from the 10 game losing streak and they'll be way ahead of where they were last year. They started slow but playing better, getting JVR and Raffl back soon.

Just curious, that's it, about your opinion. Do you consider Toronto elite? I see Maple Leafs fan complain as much as the Flyers after a win...

Oh crap Flyer fans did turn into Leafs fans.

*walks into traffic*
- Glak18

Toronto to me is on the right path. Got an elite coach. Did a proper rebuild and got game changing talent. I don’t blame Leafs fans for ever complaining. It’s been a long time, but they have a modern and skilled team that is fun to watch and trending upward.

Certainly not a blow out loss. Wish that the Flyers would have played the whole game the way they played most of the 3rd. The PP is needed. Elliott still playing great.

Need to come back with the win next game.
- NC Flyers Fan

That stat of -15 on special teams is alarming. If that was close to even this team might be running away with the division right now.

The Flyers are 9-8-1, they were 8-8-2 at this point last year and just starting their 10 game losing streak. Stay away from the 10 game losing streak and they'll be way ahead of where they were last year. They started slow but playing better, getting JVR and Raffl back soon.
- FlyerFan16

I was wondering about the record compared to last year. So same team same record. What the hell are people going insane about?

That stat of -15 on special teams is alarming. If that was close to even this team might be running away with the division right now.
- dragonoffrost

Yes, this is what I think.

That stat of -15 on special teams is alarming. If that was close to even this team might be running away with the division right now.
- dragonoffrost

Yup. The PK is far too passive, and the PP has trended down since Knob basically took over. Imo they can’t keep trotting out the same approach all season. It’s costing games.

Get more aggressive on that PK, even if it means taking Lehtera off if he can’t keep up.

Regarding the PP, it’s been generally the same thing for what - 5 years? I don’t have answers there. Tough call.

Yup. The PK is far too passive, and the PP has trended down since Knob basically took over. Imo they can’t keep trotting out the same approach all season. It’s costing games.

Get more aggressive on that PK, even if it means taking Lehtera off if he can’t keep up.

Regarding the PP, it’s been generally the same thing for what - 5 years? I don’t have answers there. Tough call.
- flyer_nutter

The change to the PP is JvR. He's played what 2 games? It'll be interesting to get a full view of how they plan to use him.

That line and the second line are your bread and butter and you are chasing the game. I leave TK there. Hell if he does remove him then everyone is screaming he benched him but won't bench G and Jake when they have a bad game.
- dragonoffrost

See, I don’t care what people scream. I could careless what you, the people on this board or the people in the crowd scream. Konecny wasn’t good tonight. He deflated that line at times in the offensive zone. One play led to Provorov having to knock down a play who could of took off on a breakaway if not for Provorov being forced to take that penalty. The second line was hands down our best line, so question. Giroux and Coots were fine. Konecny wasn’t and it was one of those times you move Simmonds up. Hakstol already switched up the third line. Simmonds is simply a better scorer. I think Hakstol had to adjust the top six. He didn’t.

The Flyers are 9-8-1, they were 8-8-2 at this point last year and just starting their 10 game losing streak. Stay away from the 10 game losing streak and they'll be way ahead of where they were last year. They started slow but playing better, getting JVR and Raffl back soon.
- FlyerFan16

I really think they are striving to be better about the losing streaks this year. A lot of players were off their game, or hadn’t found it yet during the first 11 games. That is really unlikely to happen again.

The change to the PP is JvR. He's played what 2 games? It'll be interesting to get a full view of how they plan to use him.
- dragonoffrost

I’d like him in the old Schenn/Hartnell spot maybe.

I do think the PP eventually improves either the talent available. The PK can’t keep being trotted out the way it is. This is on Hextall at this point for allowing the passive box to continue. They have overall done a much bette job pressuring before the opponent enters the zone but once they set up, it’s the same old story.

That’s fair. You can say what you will, but if you look around on the interwebs - there is a lot of displeasure mainly around some of the things we talk about here. For right or wrong, and I have to stress that - it seems a lot of people dislike Hak. It would make sense if that has transferred over to fans in attendance as well. Viewership dropped 25% last year.

People are kind of tired and frustrated, easy to swing to the neg side of things that way and boo for example. Folks also are used to a team that’s aggressive, especially physically. You can’t really say aggression is what you think of with this club.

Could be wrong, but my take on it anyway.

Don’t get the angst wrong, people (me included) want them to do well and get to that elite caliber for a few years.
- flyer_nutter

Yes, this team is milk toast, but the game in general isn’t as exciting as it use to be.

Sad to say, but I find myself not paying full attention to the games at times. That would never happen in years gone by.

I know things change and I sound like that cranky get off my lawn guy, but the game just isn’t as entertaining as it use to be.

The change to the PP is JvR. He's played what 2 games? It'll be interesting to get a full view of how they plan to use him.
- dragonoffrost

The top PP Mark my words will become Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, Couturier and JvR taking Simmonds’ old spot, while the second unit goes back to being even more useless. Mark my words, this is a Hakstol move.

See, I don’t care what people scream. I could careless what you, the people on this board or the people in the crowd scream. Konecny wasn’t good tonight. He deflated that line at times in the offensive zone. One play led to Provorov having to knock down a play who could of took off on a breakaway if not for Provorov being forced to take that penalty. The second line was hands down our best line, so question. Giroux and Coots were fine. Konecny wasn’t and it was one of those times you move Simmonds up. Hakstol already switched up the third line. Simmonds is simply a better scorer. I think Hakstol had to adjust the top six. He didn’t.
- SuperSchennBros

Hakstol handled it fine. He let him get his ice time and used post game to send a message. Possibly will take him aside and warn him improve or changes will be made. TK could have changed that game on one play.

The top PP Mark my words will become Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, Couturier and JvR taking Simmonds’ old spot, while the second unit goes back to being even more useless. Mark my words, this is a Hakstol move.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd be fine with this. Konecny in the Voracek spot doesn't make sense to me. I feel like JvR would work where Couturier is right now and either Simmonds or Patrick net front.

If PP1 is working like it has in past years, I can live with PP2 being non-existent.

The top PP Mark my words will become Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, Couturier and JvR taking Simmonds’ old spot, while the second unit goes back to being even more useless. Mark my words, this is a Hakstol move.
- SuperSchennBros

Simmonds on unit two improves it. Hell if he goes Patrick Lindblom Simmonds Provorov Sanheim it's dangerous.

The reason I’m pointing at the PP is this:

PK has struggled for years and no big changes have been made so at best I could hope for better execution and marginal improvement.

But the PP (along with offense) should be a strength of this team. With the personnel they have, they should be top 10.

PP has to be good consistently.

The reason I’m pointing at the PP is this:

PK has struggled for years and no big changes have been made so at best I could hope for better execution and marginal improvement.

But the PP (along with offense) should be a strength of this team. With the personnel they have, they should be top 10.

PP has to be good consistently.
- NC Flyers Fan

This team has lived and died with it for years. It's slumped this year and they are still even with last year points wise and in good place standings wise. Straighten it out they'll be fine.

This team has lived and died with it for years. It's slumped this year and they are still even with last year points wise and in good place standings wise. Straighten it out they'll be fine.
- dragonoffrost

Yep, it’s the thing they need to fix most.
Edit: if they had gone up 1-0 on the first one, different game.

Simmonds on unit two improves it. Hell if he goes Patrick Lindblom Simmonds Provorov Sanheim it's dangerous.
- dragonoffrost

What about Konecny?

What about Konecny?
- SuperSchennBros

He's an option if you don't get improvement from pp1 or 2 for either unit. Again talent is there it needs to figure out how it gels best. We know the current setups are not clicking. I would even entertain Jake off the point.

If love to see pp2 go to a behind net setup and work from there.

I'd be fine with this. Konecny in the Voracek spot doesn't make sense to me. I feel like JvR would work where Couturier is right now and either Simmonds or Patrick net front.

If PP1 is working like it has in past years, I can live with PP2 being non-existent.
- FlyerFan16

My PP would be Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, Simmonds and yes, JvR in the Couturier spot. G, Jake, Ghost, Simmonds and JvR are legitimate Power Play specialists.

Couturier has gotten better but the guys I’ve named are established PP players.

If PP and PK were even middle of the pack, hell even 20th, we would easily be the top team in the metro. For years we sucked at 5 on 5 and we're world beaters on special teams. Now we're good at 5 on 5 and suck on both special teams. Honestly just get the PP going and we win a few more games. I think the PK won't get better until there's an entire structure change, so gotta get the PP at least running at full speed