It'll be a severe overpay to make the deal for AP. AP is who they are building around. That is someone calling Hextall on Provy. STL's core is Vlad, Steen, Schenn, AP, Parayko... and I know I'm forgetting at least one more. Those are the guys that they won't trade in their win now mode. The piece they need is a goalie so if you are calling them you better be bringing a good goalie to the table.
- dragonoffrost

Plus the young studs they have coming up in Kyrou, Thomas and Fabri. They have a couple year window for making major noise, so why would they deplete their defense?

I think AP is a top 5-7 Dman....cant see a deal that makes sense that they move on from him unless its a home run in their favor. That kind of deal is what has killed us in the past.

Well that settles it. Since your tired of heating they won't do that, they probably will now.
- MJL

So then why do you respond?

You have your theories. You think everyone develops and the draft picks will work.

That's great. Maybe it will.

But for me the time to start pushing this thing forward is now. They have money and pieces to make a big time move to really jolt this thing forward.

Thinking about it, was it low effort for two periods or was it more that they were playing more defensive and got little pressure. if the first 10 mins, while they had a little push they really didn't generate many real scoring chances. when they got behind they pushed.

So then why do you respond?

You have your theories. You think everyone develops and the draft picks will work.

That's great. Maybe it will.

But for me the time to start pushing this thing forward is now. They have money and pieces to make a big time move to really jolt this thing forward.
- J35Bacher

It's not a theory at all. You don't have a theory. You're just playing fantasy hockey. As if St. Louis is going to trade you Pietrangelo. They won't. You
re discounting that even if you could, it would remove major pieces from the current team. Hypothetically, have you even considered that if St. Louis was to suddenly hit the brakes and decide to rebuid and give up the season and trade Pietrangelo and the Flyers get involved. It starts with them wanting Provorov in return.

I actually think that the dull was partly because of the style Florida plays. They seem to play the old Jersey style when Luongo is in there knowing he can hold them in a game until the capitalize on the other teams mistakes. Elliott was just as good as him last night.

Also I wouldn't be shocked if both coaches tightened the reins of the teams last night after the last meeting of these two teams where it was 6-5 in a shootout.
- dragonoffrost

I think the Florida style (clog up the NZ with a very defensive 1-2-2, almost a 1-4) was absolutely the reason it was so boring.

Cause if you are trying for AP with only this year an next you aren't going for the long term that bringing in Hedman is. Bringing in AP is a win now and be damned with the future move. Bringing in Hedman is a we want a long window move. And if I'm giving the assets needed to make either move I'm not doing the old Clarke/Holmgren move.
- dragonoffrost

I don't see it like that. if you built your farm system up you should be able to make a move and still keep your plan of drafting and developing.

The problem I think I see is that bad teams don't really have top defensman you need or I want with the Flyers. So if you want a top end guy your going to have to go big.

It's not a theory at all. You don't have a theory. You're just playing fantasy hockey. As if St. Louis is going to trade you Pietrangelo. They won't. You
re discounting that even if you could, it would remove major pieces from the current team. Hypothetically, have you even considered that if St. Louis was to suddenly hit the brakes and decide to rebuid and give up the season and trade Pietrangelo and the Flyers get involved. It starts with them wanting Provorov in return.
- MJL

Probably starts with and ask of Provorov and Hart +

And just like that, the Flyers dropped down 2 spots out of the wild card chase.

I don't see it like that. if you built your farm system up you should be able to make a move and still keep your plan of drafting and developing.

The problem I think I see is that bad teams don't really have top defensman you need or I want with the Flyers. So if you want a top end guy your going to have to go big.
- J35Bacher

If the Flyers call St. Louis about AP, I'd bet good money that the asking price starts (STARTS) either with Provorov or a combo of Ghost and Patrick.

I don't see it like that. if you built your farm system up you should be able to make a move and still keep your plan of drafting and developing.

The problem I think I see is that bad teams don't really have top defensman you need or I want with the Flyers. So if you want a top end guy your going to have to go big.
- J35Bacher

Are you willing to trade Provorov and Hart?

[quote=MJL]It's not a theory at all. You don't have a theory. You're just playing fantasy hockey. As if St. Louis is going to trade you Pietrangelo. They won't. You
re discounting that even if you could, it would remove major pieces from the current team. Hypothetically, have you even considered that if St. Louis was to suddenly hit the brakes and decide to rebuid and give up the season and trade Pietrangelo and the Flyers get involved. It starts with them wanting Provorov in return.

I have thought of that. But that's why you negotiate. You pay more in maybe giving up Sanheim, Frost, Picks and other pieces.

I do have a theory and it isn't fantasy hockey. I want this team to be ready to make a run.

And Petriangelo was just an example. Their are guys out there like Trouba and maybe Subban or anther top 3 type defender.

This team needs another top end guy on the back end.

Are you willing to trade Provorov and Hart?
- dragonoffrost

I know different situation but Karlsson didn't even cost San Jose a top end guy.

Edit: So people say you have to give to get. Would anyone be ok using a guy like Voracek to land a top end defender?

Voracek to Nashville for Subban?

[quote=MJL]It's not a theory at all. You don't have a theory. You're just playing fantasy hockey. As if St. Louis is going to trade you Pietrangelo. They won't. You
re discounting that even if you could, it would remove major pieces from the current team. Hypothetically, have you even considered that if St. Louis was to suddenly hit the brakes and decide to rebuid and give up the season and trade Pietrangelo and the Flyers get involved. It starts with them wanting Provorov in return.

I have thought of that. But that's why you negotiate. You pay more in maybe giving up Sanheim, Frost, Picks and other pieces.

I do have a theory and it isn't fantasy hockey. I want this team to be ready to make a run.

And Petriangelo was just an example. Their are guys out there like Trouba and maybe Subban or anther top 3 type defender.

This team needs another top end guy on the back end.
- J35Bacher

Calling it fantasy hockey is being kind. If negotiation doesn't work, use the Jedi mind trick.

Nashville, now there is a team ready to trade PK Subban. Need I say more?

I know different situation but Karlsson didn't even cost San Jose a top end guy.
- J35Bacher

Very different situation. AP loves STL and STL loves him. Ottawa is a tire fire and no player there really is going to stay there. GM's can have a field day with raking Durion over the coals.

Calling it fantasy hockey is being kind. If negotiation doesn't work, use the Jedi mind trick.

Nashville, now there is a team ready to trade PK Subban. Need I say more?
- MJL

So where do you think this team will get better? Where will the push come to make this thing a cup contender?

Calling it fantasy hockey is being kind. If negotiation doesn't work, use the Jedi mind trick.

Nashville, now there is a team ready to trade PK Subban. Need I say more?
- MJL

The guys he is targeting are the guys that are severe overpays. Subban would cost Voracek + a young D man.

So where do you think this team will get better? Where will the push come to make this thing a cup contender?
- J35Bacher

By continuing with the plan. Sink or swim.

The guys he is targeting are the guys that are severe overpays. Subban would cost Voracek + a young D man.
- dragonoffrost

I don't see that getting it done. They are a top contender. They aren't trading a Norris trophy level defenseman.

So where do you think this team will get better? Where will the push come to make this thing a cup contender?
- J35Bacher

The push is Myers/Hart/Frost/Farabee....This team is a cup contender when G is not the core anymore. People hate hearing it but it's the truth.

Lose AMac/Gudas/Lehtera/Weise/the goalie carosel replace with the above and another D prospect.

The push is Myers/Hart/Frost/Farabee....This team is a cup contender when G is not the core anymore. People hate hearing it but it's the truth.

Lose AMac/Gudas/Lehtera/Weise/the goalie carosel replace with the above and another D prospect.
- dragonoffrost

Giroux is on pace for another top season in scoring. I think he has a good amount of top seasons left in him.

I don't see that getting it done. They are a top contender. They aren't trading a Norris trophy level defenseman.
- MJL

Young D is probably Myers or Sanheim. It may get it done if they need a top 6 winger but only if they decided they absolutely need that winger as the last piece to win a cup this season. Which really with the start they've had, they stand pat and ride the season.

I know different situation but Karlsson didn't even cost San Jose a top end guy.

Edit: So people say you have to give to get. Would anyone be ok using a guy like Voracek to land a top end defender?

Voracek to Nashville for Subban?
- J35Bacher

Rumors state Carolina is entertaining moving Hamilton for Nylander....if real, voracek for Dougie would be a solid deal for both sides.

Again....not a fan of throwing Jake away, but I agree with a couple posters that we need a steady more developed D-man to help with the growing pains we will continue to have with Sanheim, Haag, Myers and Morin.

Thinking about it, was it low effort for two periods or was it more that they were playing more defensive and got little pressure. if the first 10 mins, while they had a little push they really didn't generate many real scoring chances. when they got behind they pushed.
- nastyflyergirl

I don't really know, I just know it was another game of the same story. Play hockey for some of the game, go through the motions for some of the game. Somewhere in there give up a PK goal against.

Rumors state Carolina is entertaining moving Hamilton for Nylander....if real, voracek for Dougie would be a solid deal for both sides.

Again....not a fan of throwing Jake away, but I agree with a couple posters that we need a steady more developed D-man to help with the growing pains we will continue to have with Sanheim, Haag, Myers and Morin.
- juiced

And I understand what people are saying. I just feel this team needs another top end defender for this year and moving forward.

I know about guys like Myers, Sanheim, Hagg, Morin. I still feel that is still too much banking on potential. i want a more known entity to push this thing forward.

Edit: To answer. I would do it. Hamilton is on a nice deal. i know Voracek is a great player but you do have a 36 goal scorer coming back to add to the lineup.

Rumors state Carolina is entertaining moving Hamilton for Nylander....if real, voracek for Dougie would be a solid deal for both sides.

Again....not a fan of throwing Jake away, but I agree with a couple posters that we need a steady more developed D-man to help with the growing pains we will continue to have with Sanheim, Haag, Myers and Morin.
- juiced

As talented as Dougie is, no thanks. Guy seems like a real tool based on his antics with Boston and Calgary. It’s odd how often he comes up in the rumor mill. Makes me think he isn’t a great locker room guy