If he signs for 8 years he is giving up some of those RFA years. Also in 8 years who knows what the NHL CBA and pay structure is like. If Dubas is only offering a long term deal 7/8 years then Nylander should get 7, and try to squeeze out as much as he can.

Potential is not meaningless, its smart for Teams to project a players production so they can try (like Dubas) to get a player on a contract for less then his actual value production wise.

imo, I dont think players 29 and older are going to get those big UFA deals down the line. if you hit UFA status at 30, you are not getting a huge payday
- senstroll

Bullpoop. UFAs will always get huge paydays. Look at Tavares. There's always going to be teams bidding for a player and that always drives the price up.

Would go nicely with Doughty.
- Unholy_Goalie

No thanks

Doughty is overrated and overpaid

Would go nicely with Doughty.
- Unholy_Goalie

Leafs should trade Bracco for Patrick Kane.

Chicago is up against the cap, and they need to tear down and rebuild. They'd love to unload Kane and his huge cap hit.

Bracco provides Chicago with what they need - a young guy still on an ELC.

If we do that, we could then trade Marleau for Hall.

I'm not saying these deals will happen - I'm just saying that the possibility is out there.

I just don’t understand RFA’s anymore. The whole point of being RFA is to not be able to command UFA money. You have zero bargaining power, its the team you were drafted by or sit out. You are supposed to be market value on your RFA deal. Nylander’s market value is a little less than Pastrnak. 6.5 million for 4 years is all he is worth right now. Potential is meaningless. Many players had tons of potential and fall off. Past results is the best indicator. He can pull really big numbers in his UFA deal. Thats the point.
- celinedionpha9

Think of it this way ...Nylander has 5 years of RFA in front of him. Generally (very) he and the team can guestimate his annual salary based on comps and arb awards. He's looking at 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 for a high end top 6 type forward. So his RFA years are about 30 million ( 5 x 6 milly). Now, Dubas wants to add 2 or 3 years of UFA control. What is a high end winger worth in 2023-25? These guys are getting 7+ today so he could easily argue that those years will be worth 10+ per season. So WN isn't that crazy for suggesting he's worth 8 years and 60 million.

Dubas won't offer it but this idea that he's a selfish piece of poop isn't fair.

If Dubas and WN can't agree on what WN projects to be in 5 years than (frank) it offer up the bridge contract Dubas and lets get to work.

I'm pretty sure Stockholm is 7 hours behind EST, so if I'm doing the math correctly, 5 pm on Dec 1 in New York would be midnight on the 30th in Sweden.

But keep in mind this is post-legalization math.

I need some chips...
- Atomic Wedgie

We're ahead of you guys in Europe... (6hrs)

I just don’t understand RFA’s anymore. The whole point of being RFA is to not be able to command UFA money. You have zero bargaining power, its the team you were drafted by or sit out. You are supposed to be market value on your RFA deal. Nylander’s market value is a little less than Pastrnak. 6.5 million for 4 years is all he is worth right now. Potential is meaningless. Many players had tons of potential and fall off. Past results is the best indicator. He can pull really big numbers in his UFA deal. Thats the point.
- celinedionpha9

And that's why he's sitting in a sauna in Sweden right now.

I'm pretty sure Stockholm is 7 hours behind EST, so if I'm doing the math correctly, 5 pm on Dec 1 in New York would be midnight on the 30th in Sweden.

But keep in mind this is post-legalization math.

I need some chips...
- Atomic Wedgie

..Gimme those damn Doritos;

Leafs should trade Bracco for Patrick Kane.

Chicago is up against the cap, and they need to tear down and rebuild. They'd love to unload Kane and his huge cap hit.

Bracco provides Chicago with what they need - a young guy still on an ELC.

If we do that, we could then trade Marleau for Hall.

I'm not saying these deals will happen - I'm just saying that the possibility is out there.
- Atomic Wedgie

I’m thinking when Doughty gets traded to Toronto we will get Lidstrom out of retirement.

We're ahead of you guys in Europe... (6hrs)
- plantheparade

But you're not taking the Coriolis effect into account.

So if Nylander's career was spinning in one direction, it will naturally go the opposite direction when he signs a long-term contract with the Leafs.

Swirling down the bowl...

Think of it this way ...Nylander has 5 years of RFA in front of him. Generally (very) he and the team can guestimate his annual salary based on comps and arb awards. He's looking at 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 for a high end top 6 type forward. So his RFA years are about 30 million ( 5 x 6 milly). Now, Dubas wants to add 2 or 3 years of UFA control. What is a high end winger worth in 2023-25? These guys are getting 7+ today so he could easily argue that those years will be worth 10+ per season. So WN isn't that crazy for suggesting he's worth 8 years and 60 million.

Dubas won't offer it but this idea that he's a selfish piece of poop isn't fair.

If Dubas and WN can't agree on what WN projects to be in 5 years than (frank) it offer up the bridge contract Dubas and lets get to work.
- The Law

sure.
or Nylander gets a career ending injury next year.
the long term deal compensates for that risk.
a 36-40million deal over 6 years should be accepted by any guy that is outside of franchise/top10 NHL FW category

And that's why he's sitting in a sauna in Sweden right now.
- Atomic Wedgie

Poor guy, it's probably warmer in Montreal

Leafs should trade Bracco for Patrick Kane.

Chicago is up against the cap, and they need to tear down and rebuild. They'd love to unload Kane and his huge cap hit.

Bracco provides Chicago with what they need - a young guy still on an ELC.

If we do that, we could then trade Marleau for Hall.

I'm not saying these deals will happen - I'm just saying that the possibility is out there.
- Atomic Wedgie

We're good on forwards. Just the defense.

Would be nice if the Leafs and Isles could work out a deal for him. We have the cap space now. I don't know how we ended up with all this extra cap room. I think something happened over the summer. I can't remember though

But in all seriousness we might be able to part ways with some high picks and defensive prospects.

Or better yet if the Leafs wanted to make cap room to sign Nylander...would love to see the Isles go after Kadri. Would be the perfect 2C for us.

Poor guy, it's probably warmer in Montreal
- TheMussel

I can't wait for my 15 minutes walk to the bus station.

Would be nice if the Leafs and Isles could work out a deal for him. We have the cap space now. I don't know how we ended up with all this extra cap room. I think something happened over the summer. I can't remember though

But in all seriousness we might be able to part ways with some high picks and defensive prospects.

Or better yet if the Leafs wanted to make cap room to sign Nylander...would love to see the Isles go after Kadri. Would be the perfect 2C for us.
- Dedshark

Barzal for Nylander or a big 'NO'.

Think of it this way ...Nylander has 5 years of RFA in front of him. Generally (very) he and the team can guestimate his annual salary based on comps and arb awards. He's looking at 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 for a high end top 6 type forward. So his RFA years are about 30 million ( 5 x 6 milly). Now, Dubas wants to add 2 or 3 years of UFA control. What is a high end winger worth in 2023-25? These guys are getting 7+ today so he could easily argue that those years will be worth 10+ per season. So WN isn't that crazy for suggesting he's worth 8 years and 60 million.

Dubas won't offer it but this idea that he's a selfish piece of poop isn't fair.

If Dubas and WN can't agree on what WN projects to be in 5 years than (frank) it offer up the bridge contract Dubas and lets get to work.
- The Law

Except Pasternak's deal has an AAV of $6,666,666, and that includes 2 years of UFAdom.

Nylander is franking greedy. No franking way he is asking for market value.

sure.
or Nylander gets a career ending injury next year.
the long term deal compensates for that risk.
a 36-40million deal over 6 years should be accepted by any guy that is outside of franchise/top10 NHL FW category
- plantheparade

If it was offered. And that cuts both ways - the report is that Dubas hasn't put the bridge on the table ...maybe WN just wants to bet on himself and accept the risk of an injury, etc....

WN isn't a jackass for having the audacity to believe that he's going to be an elite winger in 6 years.

I think he will take the risk and sign the bridge if/when it's offered.

I can't wait for my 15 minutes walk to the bus station.



- Scabeh

The 4 minutes walk home from work is going to be hell. 3 minutes of it is outside.

Would be nice if the Leafs and Isles could work out a deal for him. We have the cap space now. I don't know how we ended up with all this extra cap room. I think something happened over the summer. I can't remember though

But in all seriousness we might be able to part ways with some high picks and defensive prospects.

Or better yet if the Leafs wanted to make cap room to sign Nylander...would love to see the Isles go after Kadri. Would be the perfect 2C for us.
- Dedshark

Do you want Nylander or Kadri?

Also, a deal might need to include Pulock.

Barzal for Nylander or a big 'NO'.
- plantheparade

Except, it would be the Islanders saying 'NO'

Barzal for Nylander or a big 'NO'.
- plantheparade

There's no reason for the Isles to make that trade. Wouldn't you guys want defense more than anything? Maybe i'm wrong?

Would be nice if the Leafs and Isles could work out a deal for him. We have the cap space now. I don't know how we ended up with all this extra cap room. I think something happened over the summer. I can't remember though

But in all seriousness we might be able to part ways with some high picks and defensive prospects.

Or better yet if the Leafs wanted to make cap room to sign Nylander...would love to see the Isles go after Kadri. Would be the perfect 2C for us.
- Dedshark

We are open to offers, but picks and prospects are not going to do it.

We need a guy who can instantly slot into our lineup - in the top 3 of our defence.

Except Pasternak's deal has an AAV of $6,666,666, and that includes 2 years of UFAdom.

Nylander is franking greedy. No franking way he is asking for market value.
- Atomic Wedgie

Pastrnak is a steal on that contract.

You can't honestly believe that Nylander is only worth about 60% of what Tavares makes, can you?

Do you want Nylander or Kadri?

Also, a deal might need to include Pulock.
- PatC80

Im sure we'd take either one. If you moved Kadri to us, that would open some cap space so you could hold onto WN.

There's no reason for the Isles to make that trade. Wouldn't you guys want defense more than anything? Maybe i'm wrong?
- Dedshark

You're wrong in that Barzal is a much better player than Nylander, so the Leafs would happily make that trade, even if it doesn't address our problems on defence.

But as per your message above, yeah, there's no reason for the Isles to make that trade.