Do you want Nylander or Kadri?

Also, a deal might need to include Pulock.
- PatC80

I'd hate to let go of Pulock. I really would. But we'd have to consider it. Especially since we have Toews waiting to get called up.

Pastrnak is a steal on that contract.

You can't honestly believe that Nylander is only worth about 60% of what Tavares makes, can you?
- BINGO!

Yes, because Tavares was a UFA, and Nylander is an RFA.

It really is that simple.

The entire system is designed to have the youngest players make the least, followed by 2nd contract guys, followed by UFAs.

Is it fair? Frank no.

Is it how it is? Yep, that's just how it is.

Pastrnak is a steal on that contract.

You can't honestly believe that Nylander is only worth about 60% of what Tavares makes, can you?
- BINGO!

RFA vs UFA.

Except Pasternak's deal has an AAV of $6,666,666, and that includes 2 years of UFAdom.

Nylander is franking greedy. No franking way he is asking for market value.
- Atomic Wedgie

Do the math on the RFA and UFA years and it's not that different than WN needing 7 per over 7 or 8 years.

Do the math on the RFA and UFA years and it's not that different than WN needing 7 per over 7 or 8 years.
- The Law

If we are talking 8 years, I'll lend Willy my pen to sign at AAV of $7 milly.

But seriously - not a franking penny over that.

Take it down to 7 years and the AAV has to come down.

Simply put: he's not that good of a player to be getting top dollars in the league.

$8 million is franking madness.

Yes, because Tavares was a UFA, and Nylander is an RFA.

It really is that simple.

The entire system is designed to have the youngest players make the least, followed by 2nd contract guys, followed by UFAs.

Is it fair? Frank no.

Is it how it is? Yep, that's just how it is.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah.... Not sure that qualifies if you're buying UFA years on a player, though.

You're wrong in that Barzal is a much better player than Nylander, so the Leafs would happily make that trade, even if it doesn't address our problems on defence.

But as per your message above, yeah, there's no reason for the Isles to make that trade.
- Atomic Wedgie

Well that's kinda what I meant. There's no reason for the Isles to make that trade in any way shape or form. Thats an automatic loss lol. Even if the players were "even," it would be a lateral move. Thats all i meant by saying theres no reason for the Isles to do it,.

You're wrong in that Barzal is a much better player than Nylander, so the Leafs would happily make that trade, even if it doesn't address our problems on defence.

But as per your message above, yeah, there's no reason for the Isles to make that trade.
- Atomic Wedgie

Barzal is much better than Nylander.
Much much much better.

I'd hate to let go of Pulock. I really would. But we'd have to consider it. Especially since we have Toews waiting to get called up.
- Dedshark

Ideally, (Yes, I am over-reaching here) Pulock, Ho-Sang, Sorokin and Cizikas for Nylander

Yeah.... Not sure that qualifies if you're buying UFA years on a player, though.
- BINGO!

How many of those UFA years are they buying? 2 or 3? For the first 5 or 6, he'd be overpaid. So in the end, it evens out.

Barzal for Nylander or a big 'NO'.
- plantheparade

Honestly I would take Pulock, Eberle and Dobson for Nylander.

Ideally, (Yes, I am over-reaching here) Pulock, Ho-Sang, Sorokin and Cizikas for Nylander
- PatC80

Ew. No.

Ew. No.
- Unholy_Goalie

Really? Even though, we would get the Russian goalie that you have always wanted?

Honestly I would take Pulock, Eberle and Dobson for Nylander.
- celinedionpha9

Eberle is really bad

How many of those UFA years are they buying? 2 or 3? For the first 5 or 6, he'd be overpaid. So in the end, it evens out.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm not sure he's overpaid, just at market value. Are the Leafs going to play hardball on extensions for Marner and Matthews too?

If you're only going to give Nylander 75 or 80% of what he's worth, are you going to do the same for Matthews? What's the difference?

Do the math on the RFA and UFA years and it's not that different than WN needing 7 per over 7 or 8 years.
- The Law

And one more thing:

The Leafs can afford to put in a lock-out proof payment for whatever year the CBA expires.

That's franking free money.

That needs to be factored into any negotiations.

If we are talking 8 years, I'll lend Willy my pen to sign at AAV of $7 milly.

But seriously - not a franking penny over that.

Take it down to 7 years and the AAV has to come down.

Simply put: he's not that good of a player to be getting top dollars in the league.

$8 million is franking madness.
- Atomic Wedgie

8 per year is madness but that’s where the game is going and it’s going to get worse and worse....you have two good years and all of a sudden you deserve to be paid like an elite player....sadly that’s where it’s going

Really? Even though, we would get the Russian goalie that you have always wanted?
- PatC80

Ho-Sang? That's an unnecessary player right there.

Does Sorokin replace Andersen? I was cool with getting a goalie on the cheap, or for free as a UFA, not for Nylander.

Ew. No.
- Unholy_Goalie

If I'm the Islanders I think we have to take this trade. Would def suck if Sorokin turned into a franchise goalie though.

If we are talking 8 years, I'll lend Willy my pen to sign at AAV of $7 milly.

But seriously - not a franking penny over that.

Take it down to 7 years and the AAV has to come down.

Simply put: he's not that good of a player to be getting top dollars in the league.

$8 million is franking madness.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wait so he's not good enough to get paid, but he's too good to be traded for anything other than top end talent?

Honestly I would take Pulock, Eberle and Dobson for Nylander.
- celinedionpha9

Trust me you don’t want Ebs.....sure he will get you 20 goals but you will forget he exists at times when he is on the ice....not a player the leafs need

Yeah.... Not sure that qualifies if you're buying UFA years on a player, though.
- BINGO!

Take a look at Pasternak's deal.

Take a look at Johnny Hockey's deal.

Honestly I would take Pulock, Eberle and Dobson for Nylander.
- celinedionpha9

Ugh. As an Isles fan I dont think Im making this trade. You'd obviously want an immediate impact. So Dobson needs to come off.

I'm not sure he's overpaid, just at market value. Are the Leafs going to play hardball on extensions for Marner and Matthews too?

If you're only going to give Nylander 75 or 80% of what he's worth, are you going to do the same for Matthews? What's the difference?
- BINGO!

He's overpaid. 60 points is not 8 million territory. Kucherov just got 100 points. That's 8+ territory and that's what he got.

Yes, they are going to play hardball because they can't give Matthews and Marner huge deals either. That's part of the reason why they're playing hardball with Nylander because they need to keep him lower so the other guys don't have a position to make even more.

Difference is, Matthews and Marner are better players. Nylander is surplus.

Ho-Sang? That's an unnecessary player right there.

Does Sorokin replace Andersen? I was cool with getting a goalie on the cheap, or for free as a UFA, not for Nylander.
- Unholy_Goalie

Ho-Sang is a wild card. I think Babs can help him, like he did with Kadri.
Sorokin replaces Sparks. Cause Sparks has been...well, not the best.
It would net us 4 pieces. A good goalie prospect, a decent forward, a good depth C, and a top 4 RHD.