Those are the contracts you wanted to compare. So there you go.

Why even bring them up if you don't think they're comparable?
- BINGO!

That’s why I don’t compare to other contracts....different years and different cap limits....I would just like to see any player put together like even 4 good years before getting paid as such....just my opinion....GMs are going to gamble and players know this going into contract talks

I'd rather Nylander not sit a year. The Leafs don't lose his rights but missing a year is a huge step back. The NHL is the type of league where if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. A year out of action could cost the Leafs a lot of value with Nylander. He absolutely needs to be on the ice. But I agree, no way should they trade him for the sake of trading him.
- Unholy_Goalie

I think it's insane for him to take a year off at age 22. He's nuts.

Not trying to come off as a dlck but would WN actually fetch a legit #1 Dman? I'm not trying to bash him, but unless you're a team thats overly flushed with top end dmen, I don't know if teams would do that.
- Dedshark

Not a #1.

We are hoping a team trades us a #3, who magically transforms into a #2.

I thought we were trading Rielly for a top RHD and trading Nylander for a top LHD?

Make up your mind idiot!
- Unholy-Goalie

Depending on who those RHD and LHD are, that could work too.

I think it's insane for him to take a year off at age 22. He's nuts.
- RogerRoeper

It would be pretty stupid and bad for both sides.

Depends on the guy we're talking about. The Kings are in 31st. The Blues suck too. Carolina is very interested and they have Dougie Hamilton. Maybe the Leafs need to add to the deal to bridge the gap and they have a few prospects and draft picks they could afford to give up.
- Unholy_Goalie

Thing is the Hurricanes don't really want or need your draft picks.

Thing is the Hurricanes don't really want or need your draft picks.
- BINGO!

That's fine, as long as Dougie Hamilton ends up in Toronto.

Thing is the Hurricanes don't really want or need your draft picks.
- BINGO!

Would you do Hamilton for Nylander? Fair to ask since you are a Canes fan....I mean you just got the guy

Depending on who those RHD and LHD are, that could work too.
- Unholy_Goalie

- Unholy-Goalie

If the Leafs top pair was H. Lindholm and Doughty, you'd learn to like it.

They are better players, who both gave up UFA years for less money than Nylander is demanding.

Is this really such a hard concept to grasp for you?
- Atomic Wedgie

*sigh*

And, again, those contracts are considered steals. Why would another player look at those deals instead of, say, Draisaitl, and say "That's what I'm worth"?

Why wouldn't he look at Monahan instead? very similar numbers, same age. He'd be, again, looking at about $7 million per as an equivalent.

If the Leafs top pair was H. Lindholm and Doughty, you'd learn to like it.
- Unholy_Goalie

Pass!

Would you do Hamilton for Nylander? Fair to ask since you are a Canes fan....I mean you just got the guy
- RatedR80

I would not.

Is it worth it to give up 50 points from the blueline to get 70 from a forward? Maybe. But probably not when the defenseman costs less in actual dollars.

*sigh*

And, again, those contracts are considered steals. Why would another player look at those deals instead of, say, Draisaitl, and say "That's what I'm worth"?

Why wouldn't he look at Monahan instead? very similar numbers, same age. He'd be, again, looking at about $7 million per as an equivalent.
- BINGO!

Because Draisaitl is overpaid. So why would management look at that deal and not consider it a bad one?

Some deals are steals, some are bad. The middle ground? 7 AAV. And not many people here have a problem with 7 AAV. Especially if they wait until Nov. 30th to sign it and keep the long term cap hit at 6.6 AAV.

Nylander asked for 8. Leafs offered 6. They'll settle at 7. Been saying it for 6 months.

I would not.

Is it worth it to give up 50 points from the blueline to get 70 from a forward? Maybe. But probably not when the defenseman costs less in actual dollars.
- BINGO!

What would it take to get Hamilton for Nylander?

A) For you

B) For management

*sigh*

And, again, those contracts are considered steals. Why would another player look at those deals instead of, say, Draisaitl, and say "That's what I'm worth"?

Why wouldn't he look at Monahan instead? very similar numbers, same age. He'd be, again, looking at about $7 million per as an equivalent.
- BINGO!

Don't you sigh at me, beeeeeyotch!

As per what every Leaf has said for 12 months, 7 million a year is fine on a deal that gives up UFA years.

$8 million is greedy.

It would be pretty stupid and bad for both sides.
- Unholy_Goalie

Which is why it won't happen. Dubas will either get an offer that knocks his socks off or he'll do what he has resisted so far and offer WN a bridge deal.

I have an idea. Let's make all of the teams give us their best players for a lesser return going back the other way!

Which is why it won't happen. Dubas will either get an offer that knocks his socks off or he'll do what he has resisted so far and offer WN a bridge deal.
- The Law

Any deal, as long as he isn't overpaid, would be good at this point, just to get him back on the ice, get the point totals back up and get him primed to be traded for help on defense.

Because Draisaitl is overpaid. So why would management look at that deal and not consider it a bad one?

Some deals are steals, some are bad. The middle ground? 7 AAV. And not many people here have a problem with 7 AAV. Especially if they wait until Nov. 30th to sign it and keep the long term cap hit at 6.6 AAV.

Nylander asked for 8. Leafs offered 6. They'll settle at 7. Been saying it for 6 months.
- Unholy_Goalie

Okay, so say they settle at $7 per.

He has that long term cap hit of $6.6 per.

If we assume the cap goes up to, say, $83 Million next year, that leaves the leafs with $27.1 in space to sign:

Matthews
Marner
Kapanen
Moore
Leivo
Johnsson
Ozhiganov
Sparks

And probably a defenseman or two.

You better hope they have a way of clearing Marleau's cap hit, Because two of those guys are probably eating about $18 million.

What would it take to get Hamilton for Nylander?

A) For you

B) For management
- Unholy_Goalie

Honestly I have no idea. It just doesn't seem like a good flip from where I'm standing.

Okay, so say they settle at $7 per.

He has that long term cap hit of $6.6 per.

If we assume the cap goes up to, say, $83 Million next year, that leaves the leafs with $27.1 in space to sign:

Matthews
Marner
Kapanen
Moore
Leivo
Johnsson
Ozhiganov
Sparks

And probably a defenseman or two.

You better hope they have a way of clearing Marleau's cap hit, Because two of those guys are probably eating about $18 million.
- BINGO!

Trade us Kadriiiiii =)

Okay, so say they settle at $7 per.

He has that long term cap hit of $6.6 per.

If we assume the cap goes up to, say, $83 Million next year, that leaves the leafs with $27.1 in space to sign:

Matthews
Marner
Kapanen
Moore
Leivo
Johnsson
Ozhiganov
Sparks

And probably a defenseman or two.

You better hope they have a way of clearing Marleau's cap hit, Because two of those guys are probably eating about $18 million.
- BINGO!

We have having a helluva nice retirement party for Marleau on July 2nd, 2019.

And you aren't invited.

Okay, so say they settle at $7 per.

He has that long term cap hit of $6.6 per.

If we assume the cap goes up to, say, $83 Million next year, that leaves the leafs with $27.1 in space to sign:

Matthews
Marner
Kapanen
Moore
Leivo
Johnsson
Ozhiganov
Sparks

And probably a defenseman or two.

You better hope they have a way of clearing Marleau's cap hit, Because two of those guys are probably eating about $18 million.
- BINGO!

Matthews at 10-11
Marner at 8-9
Kapanen at 2.5
Moore, Leivo, Johnsson, Ozhiganov and Sparks at league minimum or replaced by Marlies.

Marleau, on July 2nd, waives his NTC, gets traded to Arizona and then retires.

Keeping Gardiner and replacing Hainsey might cost a few bucks but overall, the core players are still here.

Any deal, as long as he isn't overpaid, would be good at this point, just to get him back on the ice, get the point totals back up and get him primed to be traded for help on defense.
- Unholy_Goalie

Ha, maybe. Signing him for 2 or 3 years would be a score for the Leafs. Marleau falls off the books after next year, he serves as a safety net in case the Marner or Matthews negotiations go sideways and he's very very good. I'd keep him and trade a few picks at the TD for expiring veteran.

..re-assess in the summer.