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breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Nov 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
According to Lazerus, Highmore's season is effectively over. Out 4-6 months after shoulder surgery.
- Chunk


Ouch. I hope it doesn't set him back too far. I don't know that he was gonna be a factor for us this year with the Hawks, but I hope he is good to go for next year.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 16 @ 12:22 PM ET
Ignore Big D, he just felt left out. Hahaha.
- I Am The Breadman


Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Nov 16 @ 12:22 PM ET
According to Lazerus, Highmore's season is effectively over. Out 4-6 months after shoulder surgery.
- Chunk

That really sucks. He deserved a call up at some point this season. Oh well, wait til next year. Here's to a healthy recovery with no setbacks or career-long nagging of injuries.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Nov 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
Montreal claimed him.

Hughes I would have loved. Then we could have Jack this draft. Back to the bros. conversation. Haha.

- I Am The Breadman


Well we could draft Jack and trade him to Vancouver as we did when we helped the Canucks unite the Sedins. We would have to do much better this time around though -nothing less than Petterson.
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Nov 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
No planning until 2021.
- I Am The Breadman


That's right!!
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Nov 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
Dallas reached for Dellandrea at 13th, he wasn't supposed to go that high. Boqvist could go anywhere 3–10, but with his concussion issues and Hughes off the board with the previous pick, I would take Wahlstom for sure. Time will tell. BPA of course, but Hawks are badly missing impact forwards in the system.
- stonefire

Agree. With a 2019 draft class deep in forwards, I'm hoping the Hawks select one but can see them still taking a defender. I guess that's fine if the best player available at whatever spot they select at is a blueliner. Can't argue, though, that the organizational need is forward, particularly one with top 6 potential.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
Remember Panarin was never slated to be in the NHL. Malkin, Ovechkin AA et all had time to prepare for the transition and could learn English. Panarin was signed and came over inside a year. Over time I'm sure his english will improve. Because English is taught in Swedish schools the Swedes not only come here speaking better English than some North AMericans, some, like Nik Lidstrom spoke without a Swedish accent.

I think you're overdoing it with this Panarin thing. You have no idea if he couldn't get the Hawk sweater off fast enough as you claim. If the story about what he said about black women is true he's an bumhole otherwise who cares about thother stuff?

Panarin was a very good fun to watch player who didn't perform as well for Chicago in the playoffs, is the most factual summary about him

- paulr


Please - what is Panarin? 8 years old. Have a plan to come to North America? Don’t know English - learn English. Get a tutor, study intensively. Or do what Panarin did - play video games.

Who cares about the other stuff? I do. Other fans do. Most importantly the Hawks’ management does. If they didn’t wouldn’t he still be here? When you have a player who cares a great deal about bonuses, and doesn’t care about losing, I’m sure many players were not happy with him either.
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Nov 16 @ 12:28 PM ET
According to Lazerus, Highmore's season is effectively over. Out 4-6 months after shoulder surgery.
- Chunk


Ohh man that blows. Was really hoping he would get his chance coming up soon here
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Nov 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
Agree. With a 2019 draft class deep in forwards, I'm hoping the Hawks select one but can see them still taking a defender. I guess that's fine if the best player available at whatever spot they select at is a blueliner. Can't argue, though, that the organizational need is forward, particularly one with top 6 potential.
- AEL_Fox


It seems as though the hawks are taking the same approach that they did in building the 2010 team. Concentrate on defense and goaltending first, as those guys can take longer to develop, and then go after forwards.
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Nov 16 @ 12:35 PM ET
I personally was hoping the Hawks would have taken either Kotkaniemi or a defender: Boqvist, Hughes, Dobson, or Bouchard (not necessarily in that order of priority). I assumed forwards Tkachuk, Zadina, Svechnikov, and Wahlstrom would all be gone by the 8th.

Once it got to the 8th pick and Wahlstrom was still available, was hoping it would be him but knew that the Hawks would select a D-man instead. Wasn't going to be Hughes since the Canucks took him already. Thought it was going to be Dobson or Bouchard, to be honest.

Surprised it was Boqvist but I was happy with the pick. Not immediately but near the end of round 1.

- AEL_Fox


I thought that if Kotkaniemi was still on the board that IF they Hawks took a forward he was who they were gonna take. Which I wasn't a fan of at the time, but seeing him play this year with Montreal it would have been a good pick for us but it is what it is. I didn't expect Boqvist to be available when they picked and figured it'd be Hughes or Bouchard they were gonna be available. Never know who's really gonna go where in the NHL draft. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Lotta teams reach for guys they fall in love with and it's not a big deal cuz it might be 3 years or so until they get a chance and by then a lot can change.

Also, does anyone recall Beaudin even being on the radar for the Hawks second 1st rounder? I recall prospects like Dellandrea, Smith, Miller, Veleno, Farabee, and Wilde but not Beaudin. Draftsite consistently had the Hawks picking Dellandrea at 27th.

Like Boqvist taken 8th, I'm very happy with Beaudin at 27th. Was happy right away with the Beaudin pick versus the Boqvist pick which took time to really like.

- AEL_Fox


No I think most people thought they would go Defense first and then pick up a forward later in the first with the Nashville pick. Stan doubled down on trying to rebuild this defense taking two guys and it looks very promising so far. We shall see though.

Agree. With a 2019 draft class deep in forwards, I'm hoping the Hawks select one but can see them still taking a defender. I guess that's fine if the best player available at whatever spot they select at is a blueliner. Can't argue, though, that the organizational need is forward, particularly one with top 6 potential.
- AEL_Fox


I hope, where ever they select, that they take a forward, but if they took another D-Man I wouldn't be too upset (depending on who's still available). Teams are ALWAYS looking for D-Men and as I've brought up before you can take advantage of a team who is desperate for one and get yourself an impact forward.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Nov 16 @ 12:36 PM ET
It seems as though the hawks are taking the same approach that they did in building the 2010 team. Concentrate on defense and goaltending first, as those guys can take longer to develop, and then go after forwards.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

If that's the blueprint (to steal Tallon's slogan), then sounds good to me.

Generally, no matter what year it is, just draft well at every round. Outside of Kane and Toews, of course, as well as Schmaltz (who many would argue is not an impact forward), our current impact forwards like Saad and DeBrincat were not 1st rounders. If they hit their potential, the two prospects in Sikura and Wise who project to be top 6 forwards were also selected in later rounds.

So even if the Hawks draft a defender or even goalie in the 1st round, finding gems in round 2-7 is still viable as long as the scouting department does their homework and develops a solid drafting strategy. That and hoping they are on the same page as Stan which it is rumored that they often are not.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Nov 16 @ 12:37 PM ET
. Lot more games for one, and I'm sure red Sox. Dodgers. And Yankees. Bring in a ton of. Equty to the league. And summer outdoors don't hurt.
- holyJumpin_NL


and he ain't worth it..only chris bryant strikes out more than this guy and they are best buds...its all about the TV/radio/cable deals...

who wants to sit by a tv and watch 3.5 hr ball games...they gotta do something about the pace of these games...

Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 12:38 PM ET
Thank you, Z3, BGK, and powerenforcer. I still really like Panarin so I'm going to defend him. Sure Panarin is looking out for Panarin. Name a guy with a bloated contract that doesn't. Sure there are guys who are better team players, and show it. I hang the Preds series on everyone collectively, not just Panarin not showing up. The blues series, that was so evenly matched and in the first round. Really could have gone either way. The way Panarin acts towards learning English, (which I'm sure was better under his belt after year 1 with us, and probably better today) I have to treat his actions and comments as I would with a child. Panarin spent his whole life in Russia with his grandfather, sweet story, and he gets the chance of a lifetime to play on American ice with maybe the greatest American born player of all time. Learning a culture like ours is difficult and weird at times, it's a shock to those unfamiliar. Maybe he could be homesick, and he gravitates towards other Russian players and wants a strong Russian community around him. In regards to playing more hockey after being tired, sure, it's a crappy thing to say, but plenty of guys go and play more hockey because they want to. That energy and enthusiasm should have been redirected towards the SC playoffs, but in Nashville we were done for. The jersey thing you say, not getting it off fast enough, I can only let him speak for that. I do find it weird that after the contract, and the term that you point out, that he said he would consider coming back to Chicago. Kane has a strong pull. As far as management, if they were clearly pissed on tv, I never saw it, if they were pissed behind closed doors, then I can't speak for them because I don't know. The black women comment, yes it's a crappy thing to say, but again, doesn't know the culture on socially appropriate comments, some thoughts just stay in bubbles. Again, I treat that as a child who doesn't know better as he jumped into a new part of the world.
- I Am The Breadman


Panarin was not a “child” by any definition. What he was and is, is a selfish adult tool.

Also Hawks management did show you their hand if you were watching. Signed him for exactly Saad’s 6M without great haggling because the Hawks knew they were never going to pay it - but most impotantly NO NMC or NTC. Bowman gives these to everyone let alone a cornerstone piece. What happened next? Traded right after.

Feel free to defend Panarin all you want...but it won’t change anything. Panarin is not coming back.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 12:43 PM ET
162 games per season, 81 at home.

If you average that at $32 per ticket across 28,830 people per game... that's an average of $76 million per year in ticket revenue.

Then MLB has 2 seperate tv deals.

Fox - $500 million per year
Turner - $300 million per year

Not to mention regional broadcasts and advertising revenue. Twice as much ad time across an MLB season than there is in an NHL or NBA year.

- BINGO!


Yes the local TV deals are monstrous.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Nov 16 @ 12:43 PM ET
and he ain't worth it..only chris bryant strikes out more than this guy and they are best buds...its all about the TV/radio/cable deals...

who wants to sit by a tv and watch 3.5 hr ball games...they gotta do something about the pace of these games...

- bogiedoc

MLB should bring Mark Buerhle on as a consultant to get pointers on how to speed up at least the pitching side of the game.

I know they just put some new limits on recently but I also think there needs to be more limits on how many times a manager and pitching coach can visit the mound. Just let the pitcher and catcher figure it out as a battery.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 12:44 PM ET
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
- HawkintheD


Just screwing around, PC Principal.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 12:44 PM ET
According to Lazerus, Highmore's season is effectively over. Out 4-6 months after shoulder surgery.
- Chunk


That's really bad. Shame to hear. More set backs for who I thought would be a promising kid.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 12:45 PM ET
Well we could draft Jack and trade him to Vancouver as we did when we helped the Canucks unite the Sedins. We would have to do much better this time around though -nothing less than Petterson.
- 67hawks


And Boeser!
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 12:46 PM ET
That's right!!
- ToewsdNKanefusd


I was waiting for you to chime in haha.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 12:48 PM ET
According to Lazerus, Highmore's season is effectively over. Out 4-6 months after shoulder surgery.
- Chunk


That is tough news. Highmore brings a bit of everything from grit to quickness.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 16 @ 12:51 PM ET
Panarin was not a “child” by any definition. What he was and is, is a selfish adult tool.

Also Hawks management did show you their hand if you were watching. Signed him for exactly Saad’s 6M without great haggling because the Hawks knew they were never going to pay it - but most impotantly NO NMC or NTC. Bowman gives these to everyone let alone a cornerstone piece. What happened next? Traded right after.

Feel free to defend Panarin all you want...but it won’t change anything. Panarin is not coming back.

- Z3Hawk


I wasn't calling him, I said not knowing or learning the language should be treated as a child. Same for learning a new culture.

I think you are looking a little too much into the contract and structure.

I don't see him coming back either, just not opposed to it.
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Nov 16 @ 12:51 PM ET
If that's the blueprint (to steal Tallon's slogan), then sounds good to me.

Generally, no matter what year it is, just draft well at every round. Outside of Kane and Toews, of course, as well as Schmaltz (who many would argue is not an impact forward), our current impact forwards like Saad and DeBrincat were not 1st rounders. If they hit their potential, the two prospects in Sikura and Wise who project to be top 6 forwards were also selected in later rounds.

So even if the Hawks draft a defender or even goalie in the 1st round, finding gems in round 2-7 is still viable as long as the scouting department does their homework and develops a solid drafting strategy. That and hoping they are on the same page as Stan which it is rumored that they often are not.

- AEL_Fox


Stan has been there since 2001, so maybe it is his blueprint that they have been following all along...the drafting of Keith has Stan Bowman written all over it. This was before small puck moving defenseman became the rage that it seems to be now.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Nov 16 @ 12:56 PM ET
Stan has been there since 2001, so maybe it is his blueprint that they have been following all along...the drafting of Keith has Stan Bowman written all over it. This was before small puck moving defenseman became the rage that it seems to be now.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Keith is a great example of just drafting well at each round. So are Crawford, Hjalmarsson, Bolland, Byfuglien, Bickell, Kruger, etc.

The 1st round will always have the most fan fare but it's not the end all be all. Diversify assets within the team's entire draft class and not put all eggs in the 1st round basket.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Nov 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
I wasn't calling him, I said not knowing or learning the language should be treated as a child.

I think you are looking a little too much into the contract and structure.

I don't see him coming back either, just not opposed to it.

- I Am The Breadman


Why should he be treated as a child? If I wish to work in Quebec or Italy or Japan I’m going to need to learn to speak French, Italian or Japanese. I wouldn’t expect anyone to treat me like a child.

If the Hawks management had wanted Panarin they would not have traded him after only 2 years.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Nov 16 @ 1:02 PM ET
I saw this morning...Kruger is off IR and Davidson is on IR.

Lineup this morning

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Blackhawks lineup during the morning skate

Schmaltz-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Kampf-Kahun
Saad-Anisimov-Hayden
Kunitz-Kruger-Martinsen

Keith-Seabrook
Gustafsson-Jokiharju
Manning-Forsling
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