Wow.

Count me out for March/April buzz then
- Scoob

I do think it’s safe to say that the Buzz will be on hold. Sucks but for all of us who would be flying in and spending money that way - id rather it be done in a more “happy” season. By all accounts, this one won’t be it.

I’m down but there may be a better time. Was nice to know folks are open to it. Would be fun.

My only thing is this.

What would the point be of replacing Hak with a guy like Lappy, Knob or Gordon - when in reality all seem to be very questionable.
- flyer_nutter

IF he was fired for not firing Hakstol, that means someone doesn't like Hakstol so he would have to go, and soon. There is no other option IF that is the reason Hextall was fired.

How in the hell is Hakstol not involved in the firing? I hope the new GM reviews his tenure and brings in someone.

So Hakstol won a power struggle between him and Hextall?
- MJL

I don't know.

Again all we can do is speculate. You can only be patient for so long before you show some results for being patient.

Maybe the bosses wanted to see more from the guys they have drafted and expected at least one or two in the lineup over guys like Weise, Lehtara or Weal.

i don't know.

It's not like there have never been power struggles in sports before between coaches and FO

I'm still curious what the "philosophical differences " were?

Hextall's one strength was the draft. Does management not feel that way? There has to be a happy medium of development and pulling the trigger on a big trade.

IF he was fired for not firing Hakstol, that means someone doesn't like Hakstol so he would have to go, and soon. There is no other option IF that is the reason Hextall was fired.
- Scoob

If they still feel Hak is the right man for the job I’ll be in tears and need someone to hold me. I can’t believe they would be so incompetent. To think Hak is the answer long term.

Thank you.

I'm still curious what the "philosophical differences " were?

Hextall's one strength was the draft. Does management not feel that way? There has to be a happy medium of development and pulling the trigger on a big trade.
- Pelle31Forever

Faceless Man: "We want to win"
Hextall: "I just can't go along with that"

This move says to me that they felt that the GM did not give the coach the right players to work with and they didn't like the path the team was on. They also likely had a difference in philosophy on what to do in the immediate future to better the team.
- MJL

That's within the realm of possibilities for sure. Time will tell. Also, we may never know the real, full story anyway.

Goaltending.
PK.
Coaching.

The big 3 imo. He had chances to address them. He did not, or refused to.

The next guy could very well be worse, and yes that is the real risk here - but I am more disappointed in Hextall than anything else. This did not need to happen. He did it to himself.
- flyer_nutter

Hexy had 10 goalies play for him while he was here, in that time he could have really brough in a trade for a legit number 1, not a world beater...but a legit healthy goalie...and he never did...we just were waiting...and OBTW, hart is not tearing up the AHL so he is still 3 years away...

How in the hell is Hakstol not involved in the firing? I hope the new GM reviews his tenure and brings in someone.
- Buzzo

My only explanation is they don’t have a new HC yet and didn’t see the point in promoting someone internal for a few games.

I think that’s quite possible. Hope so anyway.

If they still feel Hak is the right man for the job I’ll be in tears and need someone to hold me. I can’t believe they would be so incompetent. To think Hak is the answer long term.

Thank you.
- flyer_nutter

Stop worrying, he is not in the future plans.

Im 100% ok with Hextall being fired. Everyone says he drafted well, but nobody knows how these draft selections will work out anyway. Drafts for the most part outside of the top few spots are crapshoots. Hextall has been to cautious and tentative on making changes to this team. He helped with our cap issues, but that is it. I hope we get someone in who has fire in his belly to make the tough decisions.

If they still feel Hak is the right man for the job I’ll be in tears and need someone to hold me. I can’t believe they would be so incompetent. To think Hak is the answer long term.

Thank you.
- flyer_nutter

Same here. But I think it’s safe to say Homer and Scott won’t be coming out to
Tomorrow at 11 to say “we fired Ron bc he refused to fired our current employed coach.”

Just lots of talk on the trade if the 2 1st rounders would eventually be worth the loss of scoring Schenn provided...lots of debate on the subject...but I think his main point was that the players that were brought in to replace Schenn in no way replaced hisscoring, everyone else around them had to score more to cover for his loss...
- JW98FlyerFan

And did they? I think they did increase their overall goal scored last year.

But overall, everyone knew that it was a move geared towards the future.

I do think it’s safe to say that the Buzz will be on hold. Sucks but for all of us who would be flying in and spending money that way - id rather it be done in a more “happy” season. By all accounts, this one won’t be it.

I’m down but there may be a better time. Was nice to know folks are open to it. Would be fun.
- flyer_nutter

I agree it could be fun. But with folks like that among us online it really makes me want to think long and hard about it. I've gotten some not nice PMs here in my day. Nothing that crossed the line imho, but I'd hate to think that one of those folks would be the type to snap in person.

I agree it could be fun. But with folks like that among us online it really makes me want to think long and hard about it. I've gotten some not nice PMs here in my day. Nothing that crossed the line imho, but I'd hate to think that one of those folks would be the type to snap in person.
- Scoob

Don’t think that would happen, but you never know I guess.

I wouldn’t limit myself out of fear of some nut coming in.

Stop worrying, he is not in the future plans.
- Glak18

I have never agreed with Glak more than today. Thank you, (soon-to-be-former) Coach Hakstol.

Same here. But I think it’s safe to say Homer and Scott won’t be coming out to
Tomorrow at 11 to say “we fired Ron bc he refused to fired our current employed coach.”
- arichardson22

I think a lot of what will be said tomorrow will probably fall in line with “these are not the Flyers that we want to be”.

Something like that. Which I can agree with. This organization has become very Vanilla with the on ice product.

I'm still curious what the "philosophical differences " were?

Hextall's one strength was the draft. Does management not feel that way? There has to be a happy medium of development and pulling the trigger on a big trade.
- Pelle31Forever

The "philosophical differences" are that ownership is faced with fans not spending as much on the team due to their on-ice performance is doesn't want to keep losing money (or "not making as much money as possible."). Basically, do something to bring the paying fans back.

I have never agreed with Glak more than today. Thank you, (soon-to-be-former) Coach Hakstol.
- Flyskippy

Coming from an old timer like yourself, that hit me right in the crotch and choked me up.

Faceless Man: "We want to win"
Hextall: "I just can't go along with that"
- Glak18

It could be very possible that Faceless Man was Scott (Comcast) who made some personnel suggestions amd Hexy was overly dismissive. Not suggesting disrespectful but I could very much see the "you aren't a hockey guy" tone.

fast forward to a couple sessions of that and then the turd Toronto game and maybe that did it.

Not sure it had to be "I wont fire Hak"....could have been puffing up to the boss of your boss.

Im 100% ok with Hextall being fired. Everyone says he drafted well, but nobody knows how these draft selections will work out anyway. Drafts for the most part outside of the top few spots are crapshoots. Hextall has been to cautious and tentative on making changes to this team. He helped with our cap issues, but that is it. I hope we get someone in who has fire in his belly to make the tough decisions.
- Buzzo

Some people don't want to hear that, but yeah, you get paid to make hard decisions, man.

You don't get to hold jobs like that forever, either way. You just don't.

I understand where people are coming from when they say Hextall's patient approach is what you have to have in the cap era. I do. I am not saying those folks are wrong.

I am saying that I think there are times when you have to pay the freight for what you don't have instead of saying "well, we tried. It takes two."

Sometimes, corporate isn't trying to hear about "effort" when they're paying for "results."

That's just the real world

Boruk.

“Ron Hextall controlled everything in this organization from what the players ate to even having the carnival moved to the early months so it wasn’t a distraction earlier on”.

- Flyskippy

The pressers would be a lot more entertaining
- BiggE

And slow starts would not be tolerated.... He'd be in the locker room at first intermission throwing things