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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 26 @ 3:40 PM ET
I am (frank)ing furious. I am (frank)ing livid. This reeks of the Comcast bean counters pulling the plug on what Hextall started and he wouldnt budge. I have no faith of the hiring of the new GM. The new GM will know that the organeyezation is returning to will now mode and will make moves accordingly. This is the most pessimistic and shattered I have ever been in following the team.....im done
- KINGKENZO

Weird. This is the happiest I've been as a fan in years.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 3:42 PM ET
Flyers are going to sign Bobrovsky to a big UFA deal and trade Hart. Bobrovsky will falter and Hart will win the Vezina and become a star for another team. I don't know if I'll die from laughter or from crying.
- MJL


I don't think they're gonna trade Hart. They're just not gonna wait for him
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 3:47 PM ET
new blob
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 26 @ 3:49 PM ET
From now on, I'm going to put whatever is sarcasm in italics
- ajw12


thanks
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 26 @ 3:50 PM ET
I’ll wait and see but am not happy about this move. Hexy was doing a fine job in my opinion. Yes, goalie blah blah blah. But unless he refused to change the coach I see no reason to can him. Many of us said that Hak would be his undoing...I guess we were right?
- coffee junkie


This!!

Sorry I’m leight with my two cents, but unless he had severe conflict with Dave Scott or Homer, this move is waaaay over the top at this time. So the real question becomes NOW WHAT???
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Nov 26 @ 3:50 PM ET
Ek on Twitter..."E4 Flyers hiring a new GM"
- opeth_pa


lol!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:50 PM ET
The Flyers are close to being the worst first period team in the league under Hakstol.

If you cant get your team ready to play at the start of games, you are a bad coach.

No the issue wasn't nearly as bad under Berube.

- Feanor


What was the difference in how the coach prepared the team to play against the Rangers, versus the Leafs?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:51 PM ET
I don't think they're gonna trade Hart. They're just not gonna wait for him
- AllInForFlyers



I don't think so either. I was just being sarcastic.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 26 @ 3:54 PM ET
Some of that's on the players, man. I'm not saying the coach is blameless, but they have been like this for a decade now. The last time they actually got after people in the first was under Hitch

I'd have moved some guys. I would've. Because they have been doing this poop for years -- it was a problem all the way back to Stevens

Totally different players and coaches, same problem. And I admit it's bad. It's ridiculous how they start games

- AllInForFlyers


Under Berube they were -4 in two seasons.

Under Lavi they were +14.

No comparison to how bad they are under Hak.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 26 @ 3:54 PM ET
Therien says he "doesnt expect an analytical type of GM to be the next guy"
- flyer_nutter


Well poop
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 26 @ 3:55 PM ET
What was the difference in how the coach prepared the team to play against the Rangers, versus the Leafs?
- MJL


I'm judging his performance at getting them ready to play from the opening puck drop over 269 games, and it's objectively terrible. Just like the PK.

Just like the PK, the issue wasn't fixed from one good game against the Rags. It's persistent and ongoing.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Nov 26 @ 3:57 PM ET
thanks
- Scoob

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Nov 26 @ 3:58 PM ET
Under Berube they were -4 in two seasons.

Under Lavi they were +14.

No comparison to how bad they are under Hak.

- Feanor

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 26 @ 4:00 PM ET
Hart wants to be up here quickly....



http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...pushing-promotion-playing

- Hatchet


Why doesn’t he concentrate on paying bills and stopping ahl pucks first
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 26 @ 4:01 PM ET
What was the difference in how the coach prepared the team to play against the Rangers, versus the Leafs?
- MJL


This....this is gold
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Nov 26 @ 4:07 PM ET
Under Berube they were -4 in two seasons.

Under Lavi they were +14.

No comparison to how bad they are under Hak.

- Feanor


Is it easy or difficult to look up what they did under Stevens and Hitch?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:16 PM ET
I'm judging his performance at getting them ready to play from the opening puck drop over 269 games, and it's objectively terrible. Just like the PK.

Just like the PK, the issue wasn't fixed from one good game against the Rags. It's persistent and ongoing.

- Feanor


Interesting enough, you're omitting the players from that equation.

I didn't say it was fixed. Clearly by the context of the question and the obvious difference between the two games.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:35 PM ET
Flyers are going to sign Bobrovsky to a big UFA deal and trade Hart. Bobrovsky will falter and Hart will win the Vezina and become a star for another team. I don't know if I'll die from laughter or from crying.
- MJL


i'd certainly feel better about bob if he had a decent playoff track record.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Nov 26 @ 4:37 PM ET
john boruk was just on nhl radio and he floated chris pronger as a possibility.
- hammarby31

Pronger still lives in St Louis and his wife won't move away from there again. In his current gig with Florida he travels only occasionally to be with the team and talks about having to wear Panther gear in SL so people realize he's not with the blues.
easY
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.20.2018

Nov 26 @ 5:12 PM ET
i agree it would have been dumb. it's absurd that hakstol is still coaching here. aside from asset collection and cap relief, hextall has done very little else to improve the team. you could argue he's hurt the team just as much with some bad signings and failure to address the goalies - which includes shipping mason out, which imho, was a huge mistake.

at this point, it doens't matter. what matters is that the coaches are next. and then start to address player issues.

- hammarby31


Whatever happened between Berube, Reese, Mason, and Hextall was highly questionable.
Tomahawk
Location: Free Frosty: Mission Accomplished
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 26 @ 5:37 PM ET
He got a 100-point season out of a 30-year-old player by easing him to the wing.
- AllInForFlyers


Wasn't it reported that was Hextall's idea?
Flyers Fan in Phx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 08.30.2018

Nov 26 @ 6:01 PM ET
I think Scott Foster might be available.
easY
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.20.2018

Nov 26 @ 6:03 PM ET
Good point. Who knows? Maybe they think Hakstol would be fairing better if he had a steady goalie, 3C, and a stout top 4 Dman?
- RustyPipes


You could probably point to several teams that would like to improve on a number of positions on their rosters but make due with what they have because it's not hurting them. With the exception of goaltending, I think the Flyers could make due with what they have.
easY
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.20.2018

Nov 26 @ 6:16 PM ET
This move says to me that the upper brass doesn't think the coaching is the issue. They think the issue is the players the GM gave to the coach to use.
- MJL


Or they want to keep the continuity with the coaches and let the new GM decide which direction to go. They may still have hope of saving the season with this group.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 6:20 PM ET
Or they want to keep the continuity with the coaches and let the new GM decide which direction to go. They may still have hope of saving the season with this group.
- easY


Any new GM is likely going to want to hire his own people. That's normal. This pretty clearly signifies that the brass thinks the issue is with the roster and not the coaching. That's what I see at this point. They wanted Hextall to be more aggressive and he didn't feel that was right. Holmgren's comments today were telling.
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