Even if you trade him and marleau. You still cant afford him. Look at the cap. IF you do keep him you will have zero money to improve defense.

7.5 mil in cap after matthews and marner. then trade Horton and Marleau you will have 19 million. you sign kapanen to 2 years @ 3 mil and Nylander 3 years @ 7. you will have 10 million for 4 forwards, goalie and 2 dman. That is having Holl be your six dman.

If you magically sign all 7 players to 1 mil each you will have 3 million of room for extra forward.

PLEASE DO SIMPLE MATH YOU CANT AFFORD HIM AND YOU WILL NEED TO GIVE UP GOOD ASSETS TO GET RID OF DUMB CONTRACTS>
- BigDog912

Simple math?

Have you ever tried doing a math problem with no numbers?

Yeah, that is what you are trying to do right now...run along now.

Simple math?

Have you ever tried doing a math problem with no numbers?

Yeah, that is what you are trying to do right now...run along now.
- Santo_44

I tend to be with you but algebra bro, bad example

I tend to be with you but algebra bro, bad example
- TheMussel

x+y+5+z=b+a

?

Whoooosh, transport yourself back to July 2018, Tavares has just signed an 11 million AVV contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs. You get off the Golf Course in glee as you think of the coming season, but then your friend says "How are they going to afford all of these players?". The fact dawns on you that it will be a tall order for management to get everyone signed at team friendly contracts. Nevertheless, you put your faith in Dubas and let the hockey people do the thinking on your behalf. You get in your car and think to yourself, "My friend had an interesting point, though it would probably get pretty annoying if he brought it up every day for the rest of his miserable lifetime".
- TheMussel

Except this is when the Leafs Cap problem will kill them. Look at the blackhawks. They have won a single playoff series sense kane and toews signed deals. You had three year window to win cup then you have to wait for deals to be bargains in 3-4 years when cap goes up. Yes they will still be good and can still win but alot easier when you 3 of your best players signed under 1 mil each.

Ghost and Simmonds for nylander .lindgren?
Prefer provonov

Its funny how people know the numbers of the Matthews and Marner contracts.

They just throw out high end numbers like 12.5 million and 10 million like its a fact...but really they have no (frank)ing clue.

Dubas and his cap workers, who he pays millions of dollars to do btw are the ones who know. Not some random dude on HB that claims they cant afford the players they have.
- Santo_44

Aww doesnt take a genius to figure out players value. look at comparable contracts. matthews Mcdavid and marner eichel. I will never write on leafs chat again if they sign both for under 20 million total!!!

Except this is when the Leafs Cap problem will kill them. Look at the blackhawks. They have won a single playoff series sense kane and toews signed deals. You had three year window to win cup then you have to wait for deals to be bargains in 3-4 years when cap goes up. Yes they will still be good and can still win but alot easier when you 3 of your best players signed under 1 mil each.
- BigDog912

You do realize that Kane and Toews were in their 7th and 8th NHL seasons when they signed those big deals?

And it was their 3rd NHL deals not their 2nd? You are getting way ahead of yourself.

Except this is when the Leafs Cap problem will kill them. Look at the blackhawks. They have won a single playoff series sense kane and toews signed deals. You had three year window to win cup then you have to wait for deals to be bargains in 3-4 years when cap goes up. Yes they will still be good and can still win but alot easier when you 3 of your best players signed under 1 mil each.
- BigDog912

Troll Hard.

Look at the age and stats of those two and compare them to Marner and Matthew's.

Aww doesnt take a genius to figure out players value. look at comparable contracts. matthews Mcdavid and marner eichel. I will never write on leafs chat again if they sign both for under 20 million total!!!
- BigDog912

I wish I was able to get at it this early on a Friday

Aww doesnt take a genius to figure out players value. look at comparable contracts. matthews Mcdavid and marner eichel. I will never write on leafs chat again if they sign both for under 20 million total!!!
- BigDog912

So Matthews is as good as Mcdavid and Marner is as good as Echiel?

Matthews=Mcdavid
Marner=Echiel

We agree on that? sweet. I have always thought that Marner was a better pick than Echiel I am just glad a Sabres fan agrees with me.

And I am glad we can end the Matthews Mcdavid debate too

You do realize that Kane and Toews were in their 7th and 8th NHL seasons when they signed those big deals?

And it was their 3rd NHL deals not their 2nd? You are getting way ahead of yourself.
- Santo_44

Yes exactly. They were signed to reasonable deals for 5-6 years. That is why they had money for other role players and DEFENSE.

I wish I was able to get at it this early on a Friday
- TheMussel

What happens when you can type faster than you can think

I wish I was able to get at it this early on a Friday
- TheMussel

I wish we still had refs.

What happens when you can type faster than you can think
- lonnyBohonos

*points at Garf*

Yes exactly. They were signed to reasonable deals for 5-6 years. That is why they had money for other role players and DEFENSE.
- BigDog912

uhmmmm.....ok...yes....so where are the Leafs with these players?

They signed deals out of their ELC relative to the salary cap(the ones in your example above) , then signed their UFA deals(the deals you are thinking the Leafs are signing Matthews, Marner and Nylander to)

The Leafs are about to sign those "reasonable" deals in the RFA years...JUST like the Hawks did. and JUST like your example above.

Certainly possible. I don't know much about what Babcock is asking guys to do defensively. I just find it interesting that the Leafs give up as many attempts against as they get. You'd think with so much firepower that it would be heavily slanted in the "for" category.
- BINGO!

I wonder if any of it is score dictated as well? Leafs win most of their games. The opposition start putting a lot on net in desperation

I wish we still had refs.
- systemtool

Why? This troll job is hilarious.

He is trying to compare Kanes and Toews 3rd NHL deals that bought all their UFA years to the Matthews, Marner and Nylander deals coming out of their ELC.

I wish we still had refs.
- systemtool

#Tool4ref

So Matthews is as good as Mcdavid and Marner is as good as Echiel?

Matthews=Mcdavid
Marner=Echiel

We agree on that? sweet. I have always thought that Marner was a better pick than Echiel I am just glad a Sabres fan agrees with me.

And I am glad we can end the Matthews Mcdavid debate too
- Santo_44

When Marner plays with Tavares he puts up more points then Eichel. So he is a comparable. I do not think he is better at all. For one he is a center and doesnt need someone else to create the offense for him. He also makes the palyers around him into superstars. Skinner and Pominville perfect examples. Meanwhile John T is not even on pace for his best season.

uhmmmm.....ok...yes....so where are the Leafs with these players?

They signed deals out of their ELC relative to the salary cap(the ones in your example above) , then signed their UFA deals(the deals you are thinking the Leafs are signing Matthews, Marner and Nylander to)

The Leafs are about to sign those "reasonable" deals in the RFA years...JUST like the Hawks did. and JUST like your example above.
- Santo_44

When Kane signed his deal after his ELC his cap hit was 6.3MM or 11.09% of the cap. Today that would be 8.8MM. I do not think the ol big dog has thought this one through.

When Kane signed his deal after his ELC his cap hit was 6.3MM or 11.09% of the cap. Today that would be 8.8MM. I do not think the ol big dog has thought this one through.
- lonnyBohonos

I know

Oh well I am getting a good laugh at this.

Except this is when the Leafs Cap problem will kill them. Look at the blackhawks. They have won a single playoff series sense kane and toews signed deals. You had three year window to win cup then you have to wait for deals to be bargains in 3-4 years when cap goes up. Yes they will still be good and can still win but alot easier when you 3 of your best players signed under 1 mil each.
- BigDog912

When did you start drinking today?

When Marner plays with Tavares he puts up more points then Eichel. So he is a comparable. I do not think he is better at all. For one he is a center and doesnt need someone else to create the offense for him. He also makes the palyers around him into superstars. Skinner and Pominville perfect examples. Meanwhile John T is not even on pace for his best season.
- BigDog912

John Tavares is currently on pace for his best season. 94 point pace right now. His highest scoring year was 86 points.

I know

Oh well I am getting a good laugh at this.
- Santo_44

Couldn't make it any easier

When did you start drinking today?
- TrashPanda

When has he stopped? I’m worried about him.