Best guess? I would say only 1 of them.

* Seabs is going to be hard to move (not impossible though)

* Crawford has a NMC and has exercised it in the past + he may just want to stay in Chicago another couple years where he's comfy and then retire (sounds like he's contemplated that after the health issues)

* Keith could be moved but he might stay to help bring up the 4 Horsemen - Joki, Mitchell, Beaudin and Boqvist. That is if he is a team player and has the right attitude. I've wouldn't be shocked at the possibility of him saying "F it" soon and "suggests" to move to a team back out West
- Justin Lowe

Definitely did not get the impression from him, especially based on the "not a development league" comment, that he has any interest in developing young guys. IIRC he complained about that a bit last year, too. And, if he is that unhappy, may be better to not have him in the locker room. I think the latter scenario is more likely.

Good to know.
He might do it for the team. The $ on his contract makes it unmoveable anyways and he knows it too.
- 67hawks

I'm not sure if he would do it for the team. If the Hawks scratched him more and his minutes were low, then he might want a fresh start where he gets a new opportunity to play.

Definitely did not get the impression from him, especially based on the "not a development league" comment, that he has any interest in developing young guys. IIRC he complained about that a bit last year, too. And, if he is that unhappy, may be better to not have him in the locker room. I think the latter scenario is more likely.
- pdx2ord

Yes. They should remove any players that wants to win and has a high compete drive.

It makes all the young players and 4he young coach VERY uncomfortable to want and expect to win every night.

Bring back the pre Keith losing environment!!! It was much easier and cheaper to get tickets then.

Are they also thinking about handing out participation rings at the end of the year for those that dont win the cup? I think McD might want to start that trend

Yes. They should remove any players that wants to win and has a high compete drive.

It makes all the young players and 4he young coach VERY uncomfortable to want and expect to win every night.

Bring back the pre Keith losing environment!!! It was much easier and cheaper to get tickets then.

Are they also thinking about handing out participation rings at the end of the year for those that dont win the cup? I think McD might want to start that trend
- PatShart

I don't think they should remove anyone with a high compete level, remaining skills, AND a desire to be here. However, if anyone in that room is dragging down the whole group by being pissed or frustrated or blaming others all the time, then that player should consider asking to go. I'm not saying Keith is doing that, but I also haven't seen him say he thinks they can turn things around.

ETA: I want us to win and I want the team to have good esprit-de-corps, but just as much, I want the guys who brought this city and Hawks fans so much through their blood, sweat, and tears over the past 10+ years to be happy and to go out feeling good about themselves and the game they love.

Best guess? I would say only 1 of them.

* Seabs is going to be hard to move (not impossible though)

* Crawford has a NMC and has exercised it in the past + he may just want to stay in Chicago another couple years where he's comfy and then retire (sounds like he's contemplated that after the health issues)

* Keith could be moved but he might stay to help bring up the 4 Horsemen - Joki, Mitchell, Beaudin and Boqvist. That is if he is a team player and has the right attitude. I've wouldn't be shocked at the possibility of him saying "F it" soon and "suggests" to move to a team back out West
- Justin Lowe

Ok, thanks. Dark days are headed our way.

Ok, thanks. Dark days are headed our way.
- I Am The Breadman

These are the dark days.

They'll get better with trades, though.

I’ve been reading on this site for years, first time posting...

My issues are solely with the FO, specifically McDonough and his money over team attitude. IMO, the reason they kept Q on instead of letting him go over the summer, which I would have been fine with, is season ticket dollars.

In his desperate attempt to keep those season ticket holders from walking, we get fed a line of BS, which also includes the Crawford situation. They clearly knew he wasn’t ready to start the season, yet they “expect Corey ready for the season opener”... Reel in those who were on the fence...

Again, I would not have had an issue with Q being let go over the summer. It would have given JC and the players time to adjust / practice/ evaluate....

By firing Q 15 games in they already have those season ticket dollars that may have walked.... money over team...

Think this team would be better with a summer / training camp under JC?

Possibly, possibly not....

I get that McDonogh is supposed to get every dime possible for the organization, but to blatantly jerk us fans around is why I have an issue...

I will still watch every game this year but will not spend a penny until MCDonough is out....

Money over team is his “one goal”

I’ve been reading on this site for years, first time posting...

My issues are solely with the FO, specifically McDonough and his money over team attitude. IMO, the reason they kept Q on instead of letting him go over the summer, which I would have been fine with, is season ticket dollars.

In his desperate attempt to keep those season ticket holders from walking, we get fed a line of BS, which also includes the Crawford situation. They clearly knew he wasn’t ready to start the season, yet they “expect Corey ready for the season opener”... Reel in those who were on the fence...

Again, I would not have had an issue with Q being let go over the summer. It would have given JC and the players time to adjust / practice/ evaluate....

By firing Q 15 games in they already have those season ticket dollars that may have walked.... money over team...

Think this team would be better with a summer / training camp under JC?

Possibly, possibly not....

I get that McDonogh is supposed to get every dime possible for the organization, but to blatantly jerk us fans around is why I have an issue...

I will still watch every game this year but will not spend a penny until MCDonough is out....

Money over team is his “one goal”
- mike7076

You can go back to being just a reader instead of a poster.

Haha. Just joking

Welcome to the board! Interesting thought, too

I’ve been reading on this site for years, first time posting...

My issues are solely with the FO, specifically McDonough and his money over team attitude. IMO, the reason they kept Q on instead of letting him go over the summer, which I would have been fine with, is season ticket dollars.

In his desperate attempt to keep those season ticket holders from walking, we get fed a line of BS, which also includes the Crawford situation. They clearly knew he wasn’t ready to start the season, yet they “expect Corey ready for the season opener”... Reel in those who were on the fence...

Again, I would not have had an issue with Q being let go over the summer. It would have given JC and the players time to adjust / practice/ evaluate....

By firing Q 15 games in they already have those season ticket dollars that may have walked.... money over team...

Think this team would be better with a summer / training camp under JC?

Possibly, possibly not....

I get that McDonogh is supposed to get every dime possible for the organization, but to blatantly jerk us fans around is why I have an issue...

I will still watch every game this year but will not spend a penny until MCDonough is out....

Money over team is his “one goal”
- mike7076

Thanks for the post, Mike!

Post again and often.

Ok, thanks. Dark days are headed our way.
- I Am The Breadman

Headed our way?

We are there my friend, so dark I cant see!

Build around Toews (who I thought was a beast last night), Kane, Saad, Joki, Strome, Debrincat, Boquist, Mitchell, Kampf.

Add: Hughes/Kappo/Cozens/Podkolzin/Dach/Broberg who will likely make the team out of camp

Add: Panarin + Tyler Myers

Addition by Subtraction: Kruger, Kunitz, Rutta, Gustafson, Seabrook, Ward

Development/Improvement From: Perlini, Murphy, Forsling, Kahun, Sikura,
- EnzoD

I like where you are going with this.
It might be hard to move Seabs, but AA should bring a decent pick or prospect at the TDL.
The holdovers are Toews, Kane, Saad, Joki, Strome, Debrincat, Kampf, Kahun.
Keith and Crow are interesting. They have very reasonable cap hits. If you can get a huge return you would have to consider moving them. If not you could keep them around.
You need to see siginificant progress from Murphy, Gustafsson, Perlini, Forsling.
The next wave could include Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell, Sikura, Delia, Forsberg, Kurashev, Entwistle…
Then you should have an outstanding prospect in our 1st round pick this summer (and probably next summer).
Then you have the wild card Russians Altybarmakyan, Nalimov.
Finally and maybe most importantly you have cap room.

Headed our way?

We are there my friend, so dark I cant see!
- Hawkster

Once the trades start to happen, some light will come in.

Ward and Kunitz have 35+ NMC deals. Not moveable except to the press box.

Agree on Martinsen. I think he, Kahun and Kampf are your future fourth line. Kampf has speed, Kahun has hands and speed and Martinsen has size and vision of the play. The team needs to have higher expectations for personnel in the top nine. NONE of these young forwards except for Strome have top nine potential.

I like Manning too. His challenge is the same as many others - trying to do too much to cover for those who don't/can't do enough. In the right role, with the right partner, with the right other five D guys, he fits well.

The Hawks are where they are now because of the McD/SB management decisions. Why would they be entrusted to build the next generation? Honestly, they didn't even truly build the first one. So now they have ruined the culture, the roster, and the pipeline. Cya.....
- Return of the Roar

I did not know that Ward & Kunitz could not wave ,as they may to go to a contender .
I run Martinsen right up with Toews for awhile ,little protection . Toews played a great game last night .
I think Q had a hand in the downfall of this team and deserved his fate ..
. I think Stan and his scouts have done a ok job drafting ,signing of players has been another story .And some of those signing IMO have been to appease Q. Many of His trades have been sabotaged by Q for the most part .
For a full on rebuild I am not sure Stan the man for the job ,but if he and the coach are on the same page that's a start .
Like I say I bring in a whole new FO for a rebuild Larry Robinson Ron Frances come to mind as President .Mark Hunter or Eddie O for GM their are a lot of good hockey people out their .Our biggest problem is Rocky is a very loyal person ,and good to his employees .That what got us in trouble in the 1st place. But you have to love Rocky for that ,wish their were more like him ...

Headed our way?

We are there my friend, so dark I cant see!
- Hawkster

Darker days I should have said, hahaha.

Darker days I should have said, hahaha.
- I Am The Breadman

Haha

I’ve been reading on this site for years, first time posting...

My issues are solely with the FO, specifically McDonough and his money over team attitude. IMO, the reason they kept Q on instead of letting him go over the summer, which I would have been fine with, is season ticket dollars.

In his desperate attempt to keep those season ticket holders from walking, we get fed a line of BS, which also includes the Crawford situation. They clearly knew he wasn’t ready to start the season, yet they “expect Corey ready for the season opener”... Reel in those who were on the fence...

Again, I would not have had an issue with Q being let go over the summer. It would have given JC and the players time to adjust / practice/ evaluate....

By firing Q 15 games in they already have those season ticket dollars that may have walked.... money over team...

Think this team would be better with a summer / training camp under JC?

Possibly, possibly not....

I get that McDonogh is supposed to get every dime possible for the organization, but to blatantly jerk us fans around is why I have an issue...

I will still watch every game this year but will not spend a penny until MCDonough is out....

Money over team is his “one goal”
- mike7076

Hey, what's up, Mike? Welcome aboard! Post more! Commiserate with us. You're saying what we have been saying.

Once the trades start to happen, some light will come in.
- Hank3Henshaw

Do you think getting too young too fast is a problem?

Teams need a certain amount of veteran pressence, or a veteran to carry his and other's weight? A little of both.

Darker days I should have said, hahaha.
- I Am The Breadman

The sun will come out!!

Looking forward to the new and improved Hawks!

I did not know that Ward & Kunitz could not wave ,as they may to go to a contender .
I run Martinsen right up with Toews for awhile ,little protection . Toews played a great game last night .
I think Q had a hand in the downfall of this team and deserved his fate ..
. I think Stan and his scouts have done a ok job drafting ,signing of players has been another story .And some of those signing IMO have been to appease Q. Many of His trades have been sabotaged by Q for the most part .
For a full on rebuild I am not sure Stan the man for the job ,but if he and the coach are on the same page that's a start .
Like I say I bring in a whole new FO for a rebuild Larry Robinson Ron Frances come to mind as President .Mark Hunter or Eddie O for GM their are a lot of good hockey people out their .Our biggest problem is Rocky is a very loyal person ,and good to his employees .That what got us in trouble in the 1st place. But you have to love Rocky for that ,wish their were more like him ...
- oldduffman

I’m pretty sure they could, someone might want Ward at the deadline or sooner if they’re a contender. I don’t see anyone wanting Kunitz.

Wow.

Just today - FOUR Winter Classic solicitation emails, a Tommy Hawk Holiday Photo shoot solicitation email, and a Valentine's Day photo with Sharp and Burish solicitation email.

Just for that McD, I'll be doing my drinking and eating 100% pre-game Sunday at the Beer Bistro on Madison.

Not one dollar more at the UC beyond the tickets I bought until you are gone.

Winning fills seats. Work on that.

Yeah Kane totally isn't worth his contract (Looks at 2016 awards lineup: Hart, Ross, Lindsay). He hasn't averaged a Point Per Game over his whole career... oh wait he has.

Guy is over a point per game on the worst team in the league.

Go get your f%&#ing shine box.
- ObeseOprah

Big deal he's a point a game player. He's still not worth the contract. You can act as tough as you want but it doesn't change the fact he isn't worth it and you're not very smart.

I’m pretty sure they could, someone might want Ward at the deadline or sooner if they’re a contender. I don’t see anyone wanting Kunitz.
- walleyeb1

Yes they can agree to waive, just like they can in advance of the expansion draft.

Do you think getting too young too fast is a problem? Teams need a certain amount of veteran pressence, or a veteran to carry his and others weight? A little of both.
- I Am The Breadman

Totally.

I think Bowman believes the league is going in a certain direction (and he's right in some respects) and so he's trying to build/shape a team to the style he thinks it's headed - and he's dismantled and started trying to build way too fast.

The big tells to me are him constantly bringing in small/underdeveloped guys - especially little puck-moving Defensemen (which drives me insane). This team is dwarfed by everyone. They have two guys with some weight/grit to them: Hayden and Martinsen.

I think another indicator is giving JC the job. He checks all the boxes of where Bowman thinks the game is going: young, perceived 'outside the box' guy, etc., etc. But the reality is that he really has no experience and doesn't belong in that role right now (IMO).

Blackhawks prospect Artur Kayumov hits an opponent in the head, punches the ref and then fires up the crowd 😱😬

https://twitter.com/ginoh.../1071129060472905728?s=21

Yes they can agree to waive, just like they can in advance of the expansion draft.
- Return of the Roar

Fortunately they’ll both be gone before then anyhow.