You're right, sorry I don't know what I was thinking. http://thecomeback.com/pu...ead-improve-trailing.html

I guess we can just read into his relative corsi and fenwick and get some hope from there. The eye test has also helped us see the chances he creates with DBC and Kane. Plenty of near misses.
- ObeseOprah

He also always seems to be in the right spot at the right time.

Hughes has Patrick Kane level talent, and might be a better skater....drafting Kane at #1 seems to have worked out pretty well, eh??


That being said, less that 1 in 5 odds to land Hughes even if the Hawks continue to be the worst team in the league. If they do lose the lottery, there are some big boys slotted from 2-4 in most mock drafts.

Kaapo Kakko 6'4" 207lbs
Kirby Dach 6'4" 185lbs
Dylan Cozens 6'3" 176lbs
- EnzoD

Which of the 3 are most NHL Ready?

I don't know where you're getting "giving the FO a pass for past accomplishments".

Maybe you're confusing it with people actually recognizing that something was actually accomplished and winning 3 Cups ain't easy and giving credit where it was due.

I don't see too many people on here who would have an issue with Rocky hitting the reset button on the FO.

On the other bolded part...that's total speculation that feeds your narrative on McDonough. Even, with the recent downturn, the color of money's still green. Maybe the days of guys taking sweetheart deals for a shot at a Cup are gone (a la Richards), but wave enough of it in front of a player's face and the player generally follows.

Also, if the FO was as big of a poop show as some of y'all like to think it is, I think it would actually get reported on vs. simply speculated on in the inter webs.
- HawkintheD

Past performance does not guarantee lemming loyalty, nor should it. Meaning - if you are successful, we spend money on your product. When you aren't we don't. The fallacy of brand driven marketing.

Yes, my feelings about the FO are absolutely speculation. But I think it is based upon reasoning that at worst is not unsound. Name me one guy not named Stan Bowman or Jeremy Colliton who would want to GM or coach this team as it stands right now.

If you know anything about the history of the Chicago sports beats and what gets out and what doesn't, consider that teams will remove press access if reporters report bad news about their organizations. No access = no content for stories = no job with your media outlet.

I just fail to see the case in favor of spending premium dollars for a sub-professional product, with no plan to reverse course in place, and the lack of integrity when it comes to communicating with fans.

Which of the 3 are most NHL Ready?
- riozzo

(frank) if I know man! Wiz will hopefully drop in soon to enlighten us.

Also, thought Murphy looked real solid yesterday. Quicker than I remember...maybe it’s bc we’ve been watching Manning and Seabs waddle around out there all year lol

I would be happy if they just stressed the fundamentals of the game, like wingers covering the point defensively. Not doing that, which is taught at the squirt level, led to 2 goals last night, including the game winner for MTL.
- Nmbr1

The D-Zone coverage is so bad it does not seem to be an NHL hockey team.

You're right, sorry I don't know what I was thinking. http://thecomeback.com/pu...ead-improve-trailing.html

I guess we can just read into his relative corsi and fenwick and get some hope from there. The eye test has also helped us see the chances he creates with DBC and Kane. Plenty of near misses.
- ObeseOprah

In the article - the author kind of says that the team in the lead suddenly turns into a "bad team" - while the losing team turns in a "good team".

I assume he is being kind of facetious there, but certainly better wording would be the leading team turns into a different team - more conservative; while the losing team....

My eye test shows Strome playing much better with deBrincat than with others - trying to recapture lost youth, perhaps - or I'm seeing things that aren't there - or he just has an historical chemistry with his fellow Otter.

(frank) if I know man! Wiz will hopefully drop in soon to enlighten us.

Also, thought Murphy looked real solid yesterday. Quicker than I remember...maybe it’s bc we’ve been watching Manning and Seabs waddle around out there all year lol
- EnzoD

NHL Network channel 91 Sirius Radio-

Players under contract in Chicago next to impossible to move
Interesting commentary

(frank) if I know man! Wiz will hopefully drop in soon to enlighten us.

Also, thought Murphy looked real solid yesterday. Quicker than I remember...maybe it’s bc we’ve been watching Manning and Seabs waddle around out there all year lol
- EnzoD

funny, I had forgotten that he is not so quick; but if you're comparing him to Seabs, he's a rocket.

I think you look at Keith from these three directions:

1. Who else out there earning a $5.5MM cap or less is better than a 75% Keith?
2. What is a realistic return for Keith in a trade?
3. What teams would he waive for that have assets/cap space to get him?
- Return of the Roar

Everything your saying is great, however Stan has royally screwed this team and the cores players value , by not moving these aging core players sooner, and really exposed how poorly this team is and it's making every player on this team untradeable.


The ,longer Stan allows this notion of remodeling to go on the harder it will be to get any trade or significant return.

On this site it seems the size of a player is a cure for ED issues.
- paulr

"Mr. Mojo Rising"-The Doors

This was posted on another site, take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but it’s interesting nonetheless:

Someone way above mentioned Jack Hughes. I have seen him play live 2 times for the USNTP U-18s this year. He is an amazing skater…but I have seen him make SEVERAL really ill-advised plays with puck and he has 1 goal this season. 2 other centers on his own team have a better plus minus. He’s a really talented skater, but I expect a more full package deal for a 1st overall pick. If I held that pick and he shows no growth this year, I would trade down. This guy is no Mathews…I saw him play live at age 16 and he was well ahead of Hughes at 17.
The last touted #1 pick I saw live that underwhelmed me was Nail Yakupov…

On this site it seems the size of a player is a cure for ED issues.
- paulr

This was posted on another site, take it with the appropriate grain of salt, but it’s interesting nonetheless:

Someone way above mentioned Jack Hughes. I have seen him play live 2 times for the USNTP U-18s this year. He is an amazing skater…but I have seen him make SEVERAL really ill-advised plays with puck and he has 1 goal this season. 2 other centers on his own team have a better plus minus. He’s a really talented skater, but I expect a more full package deal for a 1st overall pick. If I held that pick and he shows no growth this year, I would trade down. This guy is no Mathews…I saw him play live at age 16 and he was well ahead of Hughes at 17.
The last touted #1 pick I saw live that underwhelmed me was Nail Yakupov…
- Chief4Feathers

Rankings will change. Some will rise, some will fall. I doubt Hughes will still be the consensus #1 by draft day.

People want to blame a scapegoat, whether it's warranted or not. Jeremy Colliton is not the problem - the roster is the problem. Whether Colliton is a "good coach" or not is yet to be determined but blaming him for what is the inevitable decline of a quasi-dynasty team is nonsense. If nitpicking at JC lets you blow off some steam - fine, that's what message boards are for. Same thing with Stan, although he is more legitimately culpable because he's been on the job longer than a couple months. The main perpetrator in the Hawks decline is the salary cap and Father Time and the salary cap system worked as designed.

We Hawks fans have much to be thankful for over the past 10 years and now we should be thankful the "end" has been swift enough that the Hawks aren't subjected to hanging around in the middle of the standings where neither playoff success of high draft picks are possible.

I agree Stan is part of this (Colliton did not hire himself, afterall).

but I do still think JC is definitely one of the problems ... taking young guys and pretending to develop them at NHL standards, while in the NHL is not one of his skill sets (probably no one's with his experience level).

I'm not blaming the guy for not having that skillset, but the lack of it -is- actually the problem.

I mean there can be an ending that wasn't this version. Swift? What teams have played 31 games with only 5? wins in regulation? Assuming I found the right info, in the old money this team would have had only 19 points this year ... that is pushing levels of Washington Capitals expansion team bad -and this is a team with a 'core' -so you should expect maybe more than 10 - 15 regulations wins in a season -no matter what. -edited - then went back to the old thread... I forgot to move the OTW's to the tie column.

5 seasons ago this team had the best record in the NHL, a couple of seasons ago, the best record in the Western Conference ... now you got 'highlights' of goals being scored by the other teams with all 5 guys on the ice around the goal line.

The translation of that is - you got some guys out of position (and badly), not to mention chronically.

I guess the silver lining is -is that it will get a lot of bandwagoners moving along. Only in that sense, this is really good.

But (this to the Front Office), don't insult people's intelligence by calling whatever this is, as ice hockey.

One further note to the FO: put simply, you've overpaid for what you are getting from this coaching staff.

I think a fair package would be Zaitsev, Brown, a 2nd rounder and a prospect in our top 10.

If hypothetically Keith is available.
- aries1976

Have anymore garbage you can throw in there?

Zaitsev is overpaid and for too long
Brown is a 4th liner who has 2M cap hit
2nd is useless.
All the Leafs prospects are in the NHL.

See I was right! The Hawks problems aren't related to lack of talent, it's all about lack of leadership!

- paulr

Trolls. Don't feed them

And you know better, FFS

Seriously. The Hawks have started their rebuild. They still need to keep some fans placated with "names". But make no mistake, the rebuild began two seasons ago, Its why they have drafted D-men pretty exclusively in the 1st 2 rounds.

Hughes has Patrick Kane level talent, and might be a better skater....drafting Kane at #1 seems to have worked out pretty well, eh??


That being said, less that 1 in 5 odds to land Hughes even if the Hawks continue to be the worst team in the league. If they do lose the lottery, there are some big boys slotted from 2-4 in most mock drafts.

Kaapo Kakko 6'4" 207lbs
Kirby Dach 6'4" 185lbs
Dylan Cozens 6'3" 176lbs
- EnzoD

To my point!

Panarin- Hughes -Kane
Saad - Toews - Sikura
ADB - Strome - Kahun
Perlini- Kampf - Hayden

Keith - Joki
Free agent - Boqvist
Murphy - Gus

Crow(Delia, Lankinen, Forsberg or Nalimov)

Have anymore garbage you can throw in there?

Zaitsev is overpaid and for too long
Brown is a 4th liner who has 2M cap hit
2nd is useless.
All the Leafs prospects are in the NHL.
- Elbows15

Just curious. What do you think Keith is worth, given his salary, term, and recent level of play, to a team in the Cup winning window, needing a top 4 d-man?

Panarin- Hughes -Kane
Saad - Toews - Sikura
ADB - Strome - Kahun
Hayden - Kampf -


Keith - Joki
Free agent - Boqvist
Murphy - Gus

Crow(Delia, Lankinen, Forsberg or Nalimov)
- -Doh-

So Hughes just jumps ahead of Toews? Interesting. And why in the world should the Hawks take on another big money contract at this time?

Just curious. What do you think Keith is worth, given his salary, term, and recent level of play, to a team in the Cup winning window, needing a top 4 d-man?
- boilermaker100

More than that pile of garbage that's for sure. His value is determined by the size of the market for him. If the Hawks are taking back poop contracts, like Zaitsev's, they better get picks.

More than that pile of garbage that's for sure. His value is determined by the size of the market for him. If the Hawks are taking back poop contracts, like Zaitsev's, they better get picks.
- Elbows15

Okay, so let's say he waives his NTC, and 2-3 contending teams are interested. What would you like to see as a return?

Panarin- Hughes -Kane
Saad - Toews - Kahun
ADB - Strome - Sikura
Perlini- Barratt - Kampf

Keith - Joki
Free agent - Boqvist
Mitchell - Forsling

Crawford
Delia