I would LOVE Coyle depending on cost. He has 1 more year so he can also help transition a rookie center next year as well replace lehtera at 4c with a guy like vorobyov and Coyle can float between 2c 3c responsibilities.

However he would be a guy that allows our young guys develop and not a hump guy.
- Tfaehner

Yeah.

I don't get the sense Fletcher will make a short sighted move. I know what was said and the supposed mandate from the bosses but I also feel it was more of a "we can't just sit here and hope for tomorrow and not address anything today".

While people keep talking about this pick and this prospect, nothing is a guarantee they will work out. Also they need positions to develop so, if you keep them all where they all going to play?

I think people read too much into what was said. I think the main point was that they just wanted to see some flexibility in Hextalls plan.

I would LOVE Coyle depending on cost. He has 1 more year so he can also help transition a rookie center next year as well replace lehtera at 4c with a guy like vorobyov and Coyle can float between 2c 3c responsibilities.

However he would be a guy that allows our young guys develop and not a hump guy.
- Tfaehner

Would you do Simmonds for coyle?

Exactly
- Just5

I just don't like hearing the whole we'll fix this right away and make the playoffs this year but I guess you're not going to say anything else to the sth.

The third one was a routine glove save that turned into a high-danger chance because Neuvirth boxed it into the lower slot. Provorov failed to contain his man and was beaten to the loose puck but there never should have been a second-chance opportunity off the initial shot.

Exactly, Neuvy makes the save he is supposed to and Provorov doesn't need to contain his man because the play is over. More bad luck for Provorov than anything else in my opinion.

Awesome about the books! Bill is the best writer on this site and one of the best hockey writers period.

Would you do Simmonds for coyle?
- Just5

No.

With lots of teams needing scoring going into the playoffs I want maybe a young prospect and maybe a pick.

I don't think Coyle should cost more then maybe a 4th rounder or B level prospect.

Oh. I agree. I'll be furious. Great that they wanted hextall out but they should not deviate too much from his plan or I will lose it. This has to be built correctly and long term. I'd personally not send out any prospects or picks this year and look to accumulate more. Be aggressive at the draft and ufa with a view to changing the chemistry and addressing goaltending.

Teams are built at the draft and supplemented with ufa. Not by mid season desperation moves when other gm s know they've got you bent over a barrel.
- Hextall271

FLETCHER HAS A MANDATE TO MAKE MOVES!!!! THIS MUST HAPPEN NOW!!!!!!!

Yeah.

I don't get the sense Fletcher will make a short sighted move. I know what was said and the supposed mandate from the bosses but I also feel it was more of a "we can't just sit here and hope for tomorrow and not address anything today".

While people keep talking about this pick and this prospect, nothing is a guarantee they will work out. Also they need positions to develop so, if you keep them all where they all going to play?

I think people read too much into what was said. I think the main point was that they just wanted to see some flexibility in Hextalls plan.
- J35Bacher

I wonder what happens when Fletcher starts getting these same kinds of offers Hexy was getting, and then refuses to make them for the same reasons Hexy did?

I wonder what happens when Fletcher starts getting these same kinds of offers Hexy was getting, and then refuses to make them for the same reasons Hexy did?
- MBFlyerfan

And what happens if the moves actually make sense?

Hextalls problem wasn't the plan. It was the plan had no flexibility in it after he himself made the mandate they needed to take a step forward.

Oh. I agree. I'll be furious. Great that they wanted hextall out but they should not deviate too much from his plan or I will lose it. This has to be built correctly and long term. I'd personally not send out any prospects or picks this year and look to accumulate more. Be aggressive at the draft and ufa with a view to changing the chemistry and addressing goaltending.

Teams are built at the draft and supplemented with ufa. Not by mid season desperation moves when other gm s know they've got you bent over a barrel.
- Hextall271

Prepare to be furious. I think there will be substantial changes in the coming weeks. I obviously, don't want to see some of the prized prospects moved but the change was made because the major issues on the Flyers were not being addressed to ownerships liking. I can't say I trust Fletcher....I am hardly an expert on what his plan is, but if this team continues this Jeckle and Hyde routine (does anyone honestly think it won't). What's the alternative? They already fired the patient guy.

I would LOVE Coyle depending on cost. He has 1 more year so he can also help transition a rookie center next year as well replace lehtera at 4c with a guy like vorobyov and Coyle can float between 2c 3c responsibilities.

However he would be a guy that allows our young guys develop and not a hump guy.
- Tfaehner

Fixing goaltending and defence is more important then forwards.
Plus come play-off time Raffl and Simmons will be gone.
Simmonds because of contract they can't agree on and Raffl because he is a nice cheap add on to get a deal done

No.

With lots of teams needing scoring going into the playoffs I want maybe a young prospect and maybe a pick.

I don't think Coyle should cost more then maybe a 4th rounder or B level prospect.
- J35Bacher

I saw yesterday that he's being shopped....Fletcher knows the player. I wonder if he thinks there's a fit?

Fixing goaltending and defence is more important then forwards.
Plus come play-off time Raffl and Simmons will be gone.
Simmonds because of contract they can't agree on and Raffl because he is a nice cheap add on to get a deal done
- goenzoy

I feel if the look at defensman they are looking big game. I don't see them just making a play for a 2nd tier guy. I think they would go all out for Pietrangelo, a top guy.

I wonder what happens when Fletcher starts getting these same kinds of offers Hexy was getting, and then refuses to make them for the same reasons Hexy did?
- MBFlyerfan

Honestly, I don’t think it will matter. I think Hextall got fired more for what he didn’t do. Primarily not upgrading the goaltending and/or adding another center in the offseason. If Fletcher goes to Holmgren and tells him that other than moving Simmonds to the highest bidder, there is no other move to be made that makes sense for us right now, I think Holmgren will get. Holmgren can sell it to his bosses by saying that the time to make the necessary moves was last summer and we need to give Fletcher an offseason to make the moves that will get us not just back into the playoffs, but able to win in the playoffs too.

Holmgren and Fletcher aren’t rookies, they know how the league works and the reality of where this team is at right now. I think the odds of Fletcher making a panic move are somewhere between extremely slim and none. Don’t read too much into what was said publicly about getting better now. That’s simply what you need to say to appease the STHs, it’s just standard sports talk and means little.

And what happens if the moves actually make sense?

Hextalls problem wasn't the plan. It was the plan had no flexibility in it after he himself made the mandate they needed to take a step forward.
- J35Bacher

If they make sense you do it, no hesitation.

My hope is that he doesn't make that deal that makes no sense because he is getting pressure from corporate to "DO something"

Hexy may have been rigid for sure. But I doubt other teams were being overly generous and ready to help out Hexy and the Flyers out of the kindness of their hearts.

Combined Special teams rank of 61.

Honestly, I don’t think it will matter. I think Hextall got fired more for what he didn’t do. Primarily not upgrading the goaltending and/or adding another center in the offseason. If Fletcher goes to Holmgren and tells him that other than moving Simmonds to the highest bidder, there is no other move to be made that makes sense for us right now, I think Holmgren will get. Holmgren can sell it to his bosses by saying that the time to make the necessary moves was last summer and we need to give Fletcher an offseason to make the moves that will get us not just back into the playoffs, but able to win in the playoffs too.

Holmgren and Fletcher aren’t rookies, they know how the league works and the reality of where this team is at right now. I think the odds of Fletcher making a panic move are somewhere between extremely slim and none. Don’t read too much into what was said publicly about getting better now. That’s simply what you need to say to appease the STHs, it’s just standard sports talk and means little.
- BiggE

Well put.

Also Fletcher and Holmgren can also pin whatever shortcomings this team has on the previous GM so he has time.

Honestly, I don’t think it will matter. I think Hextall got fired more for what he didn’t do. Primarily not upgrading the goaltending and/or adding another center in the offseason. If Fletcher goes to Holmgren and tells him that other than moving Simmonds to the highest bidder, there is no other move to be made that makes sense for us right now, I think Holmgren will get. Holmgren can sell it to his bosses by saying that the time to make the necessary moves was last summer and we need to give Fletcher an offseason to make the moves that will get us not just back into the playoffs, but able to win in the playoffs too.

Holmgren and Fletcher aren’t rookies, they know how the league works and the reality of where this team is at right now. I think the odds of Fletcher making a panic move are somewhere between extremely slim and none. Don’t read too much into what was said publicly about getting better now. That’s simply what you need to say to appease the STHs, it’s just standard sports talk and means little.
- BiggE

Hopefully this is the reality of it.

And yes, Hexy placed a little too much faith in the ability of some of the youngsters to take steps forward. We got hurt bad because of it at 3C, and on the back end.

Failing to address the goalie situation however, is and was inexcusable.

If they make sense you do it, no hesitation.

My hope is that he doesn't make that deal that makes no sense because he is getting pressure from corporate to "DO something"

Hexy may have been rigid for sure. But I doubt other teams were being overly generous and ready to help out Hexy and the Flyers out of the kindness of their hearts.
- MBFlyerfan

Two way street.

Did Hextall maybe overvalue some players or assets he had and made it hard to work a deal with?

I don't get the sense there is a "DO SOMETHING" mandate.

I think there was a "talk to us" so we understand where things are and are going. Again. If this team was 2nd in the metro then he would probably still be here. But you can't keep preaching your way and not involving anyone else like your bosses, when your team is regressing and your not really doing anything to help it.

Yeah.

I don't get the sense Fletcher will make a short sighted move. I know what was said and the supposed mandate from the bosses but I also feel it was more of a "we can't just sit here and hope for tomorrow and not address anything today".

While people keep talking about this pick and this prospect, nothing is a guarantee they will work out. Also they need positions to develop so, if you keep them all where they all going to play?

I think people read too much into what was said. I think the main point was that they just wanted to see some flexibility in Hextalls plan.
- J35Bacher

So they fired the GM because they want to see minor tweaks to the plan?

Hopefully this is the reality of it.

And yes, Hexy placed a little too much faith in the ability of some of the youngsters to take steps forward. We got hurt bad because of it at 3C, and on the back end.

Failing to address the goalie situation however, is and was inexcusable.
- MBFlyerfan

Yup, absolutely. To go into a season where you expect the team not only to make the playoffs but have the ability to win a round and you are counting on either Neuvirth being able to stay healthy enough to start 30-35 games or Alex Lyon to be able to pick up the slack if not was just a huge and asinine risk to take. There is no defending it and this, likely more than anything, is what cost Hextall his job.

No.

With lots of teams needing scoring going into the playoffs I want maybe a young prospect and maybe a pick.

I don't think Coyle should cost more then maybe a 4th rounder or B level prospect.
- J35Bacher

If Minnesota would take a 4th for Coyle I would be all for it, screw it here is 2 4ths!

Hopefully this is the reality of it.

And yes, Hexy placed a little too much faith in the ability of some of the youngsters to take steps forward. We got hurt bad because of it at 3C, and on the back end.

Failing to address the goalie situation however, is and was inexcusable.
- MBFlyerfan

Blame this year's crop of goalies for the terrible PK, even though it's been bad for five years with nine different goalies in net. It certainly couldn't have anything to do with the coaching staff.

I guess the PP going to poop is the fault of young players and Hextall, too. It certainly couldn't have anything to do with the coaching staff.

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers




If they move Frost, Farabee or their 1st in 2019 for a short term fix, I’ll be pissed. That would be shortsighted and foolish. Rather see them move Simmonds to a contender for a late 1st and use that pick to acquire some immediate help.

Agreed, I think any big move will be done in 2 steps with 2 different teams.

I feel if the look at defensman they are looking big game. I don't see them just making a play for a 2nd tier guy. I think they would go all out for Pietrangelo, a top guy.
- J35Bacher

Which one of Sanheim, Provorov, or Gostisbehere are you willing to trade for Pietrangelo?

How many defenseman is St. Louis looking to trade. First Parayko, now Pietrangelo.

Oh. I agree. I'll be furious. Great that they wanted hextall out but they should not deviate too much from his plan or I will lose it. This has to be built correctly and long term. I'd personally not send out any prospects or picks this year and look to accumulate more. Be aggressive at the draft and ufa with a view to changing the chemistry and addressing goaltending.

Teams are built at the draft and supplemented with ufa. Not by mid season desperation moves when other gm s know they've got you bent over a barrel.
- Hextall271

So you'll "lose it" if they trade Brandan Warren, Ivan Fedotov, David Drake, and/or a 7th rounder for immediate help? I'd be okay with that. Hell, I'll even add Matthew Strome and Matej Tomek to the list.