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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
Andy Petrillo was on the morning drive show today ....she was fear mongering that the real threat to the Leafs was offer sheets to Johnsson and Kapanen.

geezus f'n christo ...

- The Law


They can't discuss the team's play, can they?
I've noticed since Matthews to Arizona is less believable now they are switching to Jonhsson and Kapanen.
No GM will offersheet either guy.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Dec 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
I doubt either gets that much. Comps for KK should be about 2.5 x 2 and Johnsson gets a big league contract that starts with a "1".
- The Law

uhhh no. I have no idea what com parables you are using but you don't have to look far to find them. Hyman got 4x2.25 after a 28 point season. Brown got 3x2.1 after 36 points. And by this offseason the cap will have raised almost 10 million since then.

You are way off.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
Mine are 10 years apart. I avoided that problem entirely. I also had the girl first so she's super helpful and motherly to her brother. It's win/win.
- Aaron_85


I had the opportunity to spend two days alone with my son while Mrs. Scabeh and the baby were away at her sister's house.

When she came back, my son cried because "he had so much fun with daddy and now that they're back it's over".

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:10 PM ET
We ain't getting anything for career AHLer, Kasperi Kapanen.

He'll never make the show.

- walshyleafsfan



I saw a thread on HFboards proposing Andreas Johnsson and Justin Holl for Brendan Leipsic and Jett Woo back in October-ish.

the amount of "why would anyone want a fringe AHLer like Andreas Johnsson, he's not worth a solid prospect and player that is doing well for us" going around was spectacular. Brought a tear to my eye. Brought me back to the days of everyone telling Leaf fans how bad Kapanen is.

I wonder if those people feel stupid now. they should.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 12 @ 2:12 PM ET
I had the opportunity to spend two days alone with my son while Mrs. Scabeh and the baby were away at her sister's house.

When she came back, my son cried because "he had so much fun with daddy and now that they're back it's over".


- Scabeh


Video games and junk food?

Emotions of young children is fantastic to watch sometimes.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Dec 12 @ 2:12 PM ET
I saw a thread on HFboards proposing Andreas Johnsson and Justin Holl for Brendan Leipsic and Jett Woo back in October-ish.

the amount of "why would anyone want a fringe AHLer like Andreas Johnsson, he's not worth a solid prospect and player that is doing well for us" going around was spectacular. Brought a tear to my eye. Brought me back to the days of everyone telling Leaf fans how bad Kapanen is.

I wonder if those people feel stupid now. they should.

- prock

I used to think HB was full of the the stupidest, most uninformed hockey fans I’ll ever find.

Now HB is almost a safe haven from the absurdity of anywhere else, especially twitter.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Dec 12 @ 2:13 PM ET
Both kids are fine. And maybe I should follow his advice and always pick the coolest logo or the coolest sounding team names in my fantasy picks.

I'd say you're friend is mostly right.

But I think it's mostly because of the current age of both.

My son is 4 years old, pretty easy to handle but still requires us to pay attention to him alot.... while the baby girl, being a year and a half old..... well doesn't understand much, voices her needs VERY CLEARLY AND LOUDLY and doesn't tolerate us giving her brother any of the time he needs....

So yeah.... difficulty is at "insane" levels.

Let's just say there won't (shouldn't) be a third little monster in the house.

- Scabeh



A lot.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:14 PM ET
I saw a thread on HFboards proposing Andreas Johnsson and Justin Holl for Brendan Leipsic and Jett Woo back in October-ish.

the amount of "why would anyone want a fringe AHLer like Andreas Johnsson, he's not worth a solid prospect and player that is doing well for us" going around was spectacular. Brought a tear to my eye. Brought me back to the days of everyone telling Leaf fans how bad Kapanen is.

I wonder if those people feel stupid now. they should.

- prock


HF is the biggest, biased morons ever.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:16 PM ET
A lot.
- bixll


bryant
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.28.2011

Dec 12 @ 2:18 PM ET
Matthews has essentially become our Tulo ...those two years were great though.
- The Law

Saw this posted earlier.

William Nylander be like: “new six-year contract, over $45-million, I’m rich !” .... Troy Tulowitzki: “hold my beer”
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:25 PM ET
I had the opportunity to spend two days alone with my son while Mrs. Scabeh and the baby were away at her sister's house.

When she came back, my son cried because "he had so much fun with daddy and now that they're back it's over".


- Scabeh

edibles are great
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Dec 12 @ 2:26 PM ET
uhhh no. I have no idea what com parables you are using but you don't have to look far to find them. Hyman got 4x2.25 after a 28 point season. Brown got 3x2.1 after 36 points. And by this offseason the cap will have raised almost 10 million since then.

You are way off.

- Santo_44


Sure ...

Look up contracts for the past number of years. Sportrac is a good site. Shorter term = less $$. Hyman gets 2.25 b/c he locked in for 4 years instead of 2. He would have gotten less per year on a 2 year deal. RFA's scale up ....Plus I believe Hyman (maybe CB too) gave up UFA years.

Both these guys fit the mold of a short term deal due to increasing potential and the Leafs likely needing some flexibility.

For just a few comps ...

Kase did 3 x 2.6
Ritchie did 3 x 1.5
Rienhart did 2 x 3.6
Mantha 2 x 3.3
Vesey 2 x 2.2
Montour, Nurse ... both about 2 x 3.2
Pulock 2 x 2
Virtanen and McCann 2 x 1.25
Fast and J Anderson 2 x 1.85'ish
Sam Bennett 2 x 1.95
Ferland 2 x 1.85

Go back to 2016 and there are a tonne of high potential guys coming off their ELC 's that sign for 2 years at something between 2 and 2.5 milly.

Good enough?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Dec 12 @ 2:33 PM ET
Sure ...

Look up contracts for the past number of years. Sportrac is a good site. Shorter term = less $$. Hyman gets 2.25 b/c he locked in for 4 years instead of 2. He would have gotten less per year on a 2 year deal. RFA's scale up ....Plus I believe Hyman (maybe CB too) gave up UFA years.

Both these guys fit the mold of a short term deal due to increasing potential and the Leafs likely needing some flexibility.

For just a few comps ...

Kase did 3 x 2.6
Ritchie did 3 x 1.5
Rienhart did 2 x 3.6
Mantha 2 x 3.3
Vesey 2 x 2.2
Montour, Nurse ... both about 2 x 3.2
Pulock 2 x 2
Virtanen and McCann 2 x 1.25
Fast and J Anderson 2 x 1.85'ish
Sam Bennett 2 x 1.95
Ferland 2 x 1.85

Go back to 2016 and there are a tonne of high potential guys coming off their ELC 's that sign for 2 years at something between 2 and 2.5 milly.

Good enough?

- The Law


The only contracts that are comparable are Mantha's and Kase. Mantha being the closest to being on par. Add in the cap increase and it is 2x3.5 for Kap.

And 1 million for Johnnson? Yeah right

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Dec 12 @ 2:56 PM ET
I doubt either gets that much. Comps for KK should be about 2.5 x 2 and Johnsson gets a big league contract that starts with a "1".
- The Law

I fear that your projections on Kasparen* are low.

He's 84 in the league in points for forwards.

If I'm his agent, I'm telling the Leafs he's a top line forward.

*This is the second time I've called him that. Let's just pretend I'm suggesting that should be his nickname. Hell, it's better than "mango."
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:59 PM ET
The only contracts that are comparable are Mantha's and Kase. Mantha being the closest to being on par. Add in the cap increase and it is 2x3.5 for Kap.

And 1 million for Johnnson? Yeah right


- Santo_44



I think the truth is between what you two are saying.

He's going to get around $3M I think. $2.5 to $3M. He hasn't shown enough to get much more than that.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 12 @ 2:59 PM ET
If Corey Schneider doesn't win by december 27th, he will have gone a full year without winning a game.

He's 0-15-3 since then.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Dec 12 @ 3:02 PM ET
I think the truth is between what you two are saying.

He's going to get around $3M I think. $2.5 to $3M. He hasn't shown enough to get much more than that.

- prock

There is still 50 games left....lots of time to score 25 goals and 50+points.

which is less than what he is on pace for. He blows all those comparisons out of the water if he keeps it up.
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Harvester of Sorrow, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 12 @ 3:03 PM ET
I think the truth is between what you two are saying.

He's going to get around $3M I think. $2.5 to $3M. He hasn't shown enough to get much more than that.

- prock

who wants to hear a story about a bridge
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 12 @ 3:03 PM ET
I fear that your projections on Kasparen* are low.

He's 84 in the league in points for forwards.

If I'm his agent, I'm telling the Leafs he's a top line forward.

*This is the second time I've called him that. Let's just pretend I'm suggesting that should be his nickname. Hell, it's better than "mango."

- Atomic Wedgie



A little, but not much. He's got one year of good production (and even that assumes he keeps it up for the year). I can't imagine he gets $4M.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 12 @ 3:04 PM ET
who wants to hear a story about a bridge
- drexel



right? They're not signing Kapanen for 8 years. It'll be a 2 year most likely at like $3M.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Dec 12 @ 3:05 PM ET
I think the truth is between what you two are saying.

He's going to get around $3M I think. $2.5 to $3M. He hasn't shown enough to get much more than that.

- prock

Ya people need to slow it down with how much they expect kap to earn.
Hes only played 86 nhl games and has 31pts.
Most of those pts came from playing on a line with one of the best centers in the league.
Up until the melander hold out he had 10pts in 55 games.
Not earth shattering.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Dec 12 @ 3:05 PM ET
If Corey Schneider doesn't win by december 27th, he will have gone a full year without winning a game.

He's 0-15-3 since then.

- Scabeh


Does that mean he is no longer one of our 4 of the best 2 goalies on the planet?

Love,
Canucks fans.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Dec 12 @ 3:07 PM ET
Does that mean he is no longer one of our 4 of the best 2 goalies on the planet?

Love,
Canucks fans.

- Aetherial


6M for the next 4 years.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Dec 12 @ 3:07 PM ET
If Corey Schneider doesn't win by december 27th, he will have gone a full year without winning a game.

He's 0-15-3 since then.

- Scabeh

Remember when he was so awesome?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Dec 12 @ 3:09 PM ET
There is still 50 games left....lots of time to score 25 goals and 50+points.

which is less than what he is on pace for. He blows all those comparisons out of the water if he keeps it up.

- Santo_44

He wont be propped up by matthews the rest of those 50 games either.
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