They really don't. Crosby and Malkin are both literally MVPs. Leafs don't have that.
- Unholy_Goalie

That’s some hard shade being thrown at you’re teams two best players.. maybe trade them both to pit for Crosby and malkin..

That’s some hard shade being thrown at you’re teams two best players.. maybe trade them both to pit for Crosby and malkin..
- Puck-us-all

It's not shade, it's just the truth. Crosby and Malkin won MVPs and led the league in scoring. The Leafs don't have that. Trying to compare them can't be done until you have prove, which there is none.

He forgets that Vegas made it to the finals last year with a bunch of cast sways. Also that washingtons d on paper wasn't all that great either. If the leafs got Petro for zaitsev hed say there's no way the leafs can win with hainsey in their top 4 and sparks as their backup.
- HealthyScratch6

Still better than the Leafs defense which is poop on paper and on the ice. The only reason why the GAA is decent is because of Andersen, not because of the defense is playing well.

And no, if they added Pietrangelo, they'd at least have a top pairing that could be considered formidable. That's what they've been missing, especially on the right side. How it matches up against Tampa Bay, that's a different story because Hedman, McDonagh, Stralman and Sergachev are a damn good top-four but adding Pietrangelo definitely bridges that gap, which right now, is significant.

That’s some hard shade being thrown at you’re teams two best players.. maybe trade them both to pit for Crosby and malkin..
- Puck-us-all

Matthew's 1st in the league in goals per game and 2nd in the league in pts per game on pace for 77g 130pts over a full season but there's no chance he ever wins an mvp.

He forgets that Vegas made it to the finals last year with a bunch of cast sways. Also that washingtons d on paper wasn't all that great either. If the leafs got Petro for zaitsev hed say there's no way the leafs can win with hainsey in their top 4 and sparks as their backup.
- HealthyScratch6

Unless they’re the 2011 bruins they’re poop.. so, yes he’s a bruins fan not a leaf fan..

Criticism for your team is justified always, as fans that’s what we do, but tearing down everything they do and concentrating so much on the negative with one of the best teams the leafs have iced in 100 years I don’t get.. I just don’t get it..

Matthew's 1st in the league in goals per game and 2nd in the league in pts per game on pace for 77g 130pts over a full season but there's no chance he ever wins an mvp.
- HealthyScratch6

Yeah, let me know when they invent an "on pace" award. I'm sure he was "on pace" to shatter every Gretzky record after his 1st NHL game but playing more games kind of changed that "on pace".

I'm not saying they're bad players, they're just not McDavid or Crosby so when you try to compare them, it won't work or make sense.

It's not shade, it's just the truth. Crosby and Malkin won MVPs and led the league in scoring. The Leafs don't have that. Trying to compare them can't be done until you have prove, which there is none.
- Unholy_Goalie

It’s exactly what it is.. Tavares is a top 10 center in the league today and Mathews is better than him.. as of today they’re both playing better than malkin and Crosby

Unless they’re the 2011 bruins they’re poop.. so, yes he’s a bruins fan not a leaf fan..

Criticism for your team is justified always, as fans that’s what we do, but tearing down everything they do and concentrating so much on the negative with one of the best teams the leafs have iced in 100 years I don’t get.. I just don’t get it..
- Puck-us-all

He's just a glass half empty kind of guy all the time, every day, every message, every thought. I'm sure if the leafs win the cup the first thing he will say is there's no way they repeat next year if they don't improve their (insert any position not currently occupied by an all star)

Matthew's 1st in the league in goals per game and 2nd in the league in pts per game on pace for 77g 130pts over a full season but there's no chance he ever wins an mvp.
- HealthyScratch6

But the regular season doesn’t mean anything, unless you’re talking about Malkin and Crosby, then it’s everything.

Yeah, let me know when they invent an "on pace" award. I'm sure he was "on pace" to shatter every Gretzky record after his 1st NHL game but playing more games kind of changed that "on pace".

I'm not saying they're bad players, they're just not McDavid or Crosby so when you try to compare them, it won't work or make sense.
- Unholy_Goalie

We’re not saying they’re better, not even saying they’re out right equal but on any given night they can be the better player..

It’s exactly what it is.. Tavares is a top 10 center in the league today and Mathews is better than him.. as of today they’re both playing better than malkin and Crosby
- Puck-us-all

Nope. At the same age, Crosby was already leading the league in scoring, winning MVP trophies and Cups.

But the regular season doesn’t mean anything, unless you’re talking about Malkin and Crosby, then it’s everything.
- shack67

Malkin and Crosby kill it in playoff scoring too, multiple Conn Smythes between them. Pretty sure if you looked up playoff scoring leaders, they'd be right up there in the past 10 years, along with Ovechkin.

Yeah, let me know when they invent an "on pace" award. I'm sure he was "on pace" to shatter every Gretzky record after his 1st NHL game but playing more games kind of changed that "on pace".

I'm not saying they're bad players, they're just not McDavid or Crosby so when you try to compare them, it won't work or make sense.
- Unholy_Goalie

Did Crosby win every mvp until McDavid came into the league? Is McDavid the best player in the world? Yes. Is he going to win the the hart every year till he retires? No. Matthews has very real chance of winning 1 or multiple throughout his career.

He's just a glass half empty kind of guy all the time, every day, every message, every thought. I'm sure if the leafs win the cup the first thing he will say is there's no way they repeat next year if they don't improve their (insert any position not currently occupied by an all star)
- HealthyScratch6

That’s exactly true.. kind of feel bad for him not being able to enjoy his supposed favorite team being arguably the best they’ve ever been

Malkin and Crosby kill it in playoff scoring too, multiple Conn Smythes between them. Pretty sure if you looked up playoff scoring leaders, they'd be right up there in the past 10 years, along with Ovechkin.
- Unholy_Goalie

Wasn’t talking to you so fuk off.

We’re not saying they’re better, not even saying they’re out right equal but on any given night they can be the better player..
- Puck-us-all

Well then the poopty argument of the "Pittsburgh way" falls apart. Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

Nope. At the same age, Crosby was already leading the league in scoring, winning MVP trophies and Cups.
- Unholy_Goalie

That was years ago tell me when they have an award for “at the same age”

He's just a glass half empty kind of guy all the time, every day, every message, every thought. I'm sure if the leafs win the cup the first thing he will say is there's no way they repeat next year if they don't improve their (insert any position not currently occupied by an all star)
- HealthyScratch6

No, it's just the reality if compare the players objectively. The "Pittsburgh way" worked because they had the best players of a generation on the same team at the same time. The Leafs don't have that. So comparing them that way is illogical.

Well then the poopty argument of the "Pittsburgh way" falls apart. Thanks for proving yourself wrong.
- Unholy_Goalie

What are you talking about? Never proved myself wrong

No, it's just the reality if compare the players objectively. The "Pittsburgh way" worked because they had the best players of a generation on the same team at the same time. The Leafs don't have that. So comparing them that way is illogical.
- Unholy_Goalie

The comparison is having two players who are elite elite at their position (being 1-2 centers).. argue that, you cant

No, it's just the reality if compare the players objectively. The "Pittsburgh way" worked because they had the best players of a generation on the same team at the same time. The Leafs don't have that. So comparing them that way is illogical.
- Unholy_Goalie

For one thing Crosby and Malkin weren't the MVP 100+ pts 50 goal guys in 2016/2017. They were good players but not the same players. Crosby had 44g 89pts. Very realistic numbers for Matthew's this year. If not better.

Who would you take on your team right now Matthew's or 98-99 Gretzky? Just because he was the best player ever or of a generation doesn't mean he will always be the better player regardless of age.

What are you talking about? Never proved myself wrong
- Puck-us-all

Oh?

Mathews and Tavares aren’t two pieces of poop you know? Also they’re 6th in goals against. Me thinks you underrate they’re defense .. they do a better job than most people give them credit for and still better than the pens
- Puck-us-all

We’re not saying they’re better, not even saying they’re out right equal but on any given night they can be the better player..
- Puck-us-all

Really?

For one thing Crosby and Malkin weren't the MVP 100+ pts 50 goal guys in 2016/2017. They were good players but not the same players. Crosby had 44g 89pts. Very realistic numbers for Matthew's this year. If not better.
- HealthyScratch6

They proved they were that caliber of player and experience helped them achieve that success again in the playoffs by overcoming all the hardest match-ups in every series and still scoring points and making a difference. They were also healthy again for the first time in a long time, they missed a lot of time over the years before they came back to win Cups back to back.

The comparison is having two players who are elite elite at their position (being 1-2 centers).. argue that, you cant
- Puck-us-all

But not the best at their position which means the rest of the team (specifically defense) needs to be better to succeed like all the other examples of Cup winners that everybody seems to ignore when talking about the "Pittsburgh way".

Oh?





Really?
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh that’s the problem.. you don’t understand what I was saying .. the first bold was talking about the leafs d being better than what you give them credit for and being (statistically) better than the pens d that year in the playoffs.. the second bold was talking about the difference between the Crosby malkin and Mathews Tavares..

I mean you obviously back read so you should have understood the context from what I was replying too