Cheap talent can be 1 year UFAs too. I'd like young players to fill out the line-up too but big name RHD are going to cost a premium so if that cost is an unknown prospect, at this point in the game, they have to go with the #1 RHD and worry about replacing the prospect another way.
- Unholy_Goalie

There's a big difference a potentially elite young player playing for pennies on an entry level and cheap ufas. Not saying either of those guys are going to be elite I just mean 1st round picks in general. I have no problem giving up either of those guys in a deal for Petro just saying shouldnt sell the farm for a high cap hit when you're already in cap trouble.

There's a big difference a potentially elite young player playing for pennies on an entry level and cheap ufas. Not saying either of those guys are going to be elite I just mean 1st round picks in general. I have no problem giving up either of those guys in a deal for Petro just saying shouldnt sell the farm for a high cap hit when you're already in cap trouble.
- HealthyScratch6

With Rielly, Dermott and potentially Pietrangelo, that's 3 out of the Leafs top 4. Zaitsev, if not moved as part of the deal, is the 4th guy. So, realistically, you need the young guys to be bottom pairing guys and the Leafs can pluck one from their system, even if they traded both Sandin and Liljegren (unlikely both would get moved).

Either way, they'd be alright as long as they get the right guy to be the #1 guy.

Cheap talent can be 1 year UFAs too. I'd like young players to fill out the line-up too but big name RHD are going to cost a premium so if that cost is an unknown prospect, at this point in the game, they have to go with the #1 RHD and worry about replacing the prospect another way.
- Unholy_Goalie

you get what you pay for.
so when they go 8g 6a in 82 games I think you'd be the first to complain about their production.

Injured / garbage goaltending.
- Unholy_Goalie

Murray was just activated off IR ...
but still.... combined -7 on a 4-3 game


not good for my hbsl ....

you get what you pay for.
so when they go 8g 6a in 82 games I think you'd be the first to complain about their production.
- dmnted

Depends what position and role they are playing. If the Leafs had high priced All-Stars filling all the important positions, I don't really care if the 4th liner or bottom pairing D aren't scoring points as long as they aren't so bad that they hurt the team.

Beautiful part about getting a work horse like Pietrangelo is that he plays in all situations and he can log 25+ minutes a night so you're getting bang for your buck and the bottom pairing D is playing even less than usual.

No, it isn't.

He makes a lot of money and they'd still need to clear cap space to sign Pietrangelo long term.

Obviously, if they can get Pietrangelo for less (Zaitsev + Johnsson) then that's better. But if it's a bidding war and the price goes up, moving Nylander works too, albeit a less than ideal situation.

But either way, the Leafs come out ahead, it's just a matter of by how much. If they acquired Pietrangelo and wanted to re-sign him to a an 8 year, 8 AAV deal, somebody would have to go and Nylander would be the easiest, single piece to move. Unless Marleau retires right on time.
- Unholy_Goalie

There’s isn’t any indication Petro would resign. He’s 8 months away from being able to. Friedman said today that Petro May have been offered but with Nylander being 6 years younger it’s the easy decision.

The leafs could keep Nylander until year 5...get 5 years out of him and trade him for a great return. Petro will be 33. His value will be significantly less.

Murray was just activated off IR ...
but still.... combined -7 on a 4-3 game


not good for my hbsl ....
- dmnted

He's been hurt and when he's healthy, he's been terrible.

I think they were on the ice for at least one, if not two, EN goals though.

He certainly was that day.

All he said was that he wasn't actively looking to trade Nylander. And that's the smartest thing to say at that moment. But by no means is it a guarantee that he will never be traded. Talk to Masai about "not being traded". If the right deal comes up, the deal is made. The only thing that stops it is a NMC/NTC and Nylander doesn't have one. And even if he did, it's just a speed bump most of the time.

What's "not good for business" is contract hold outs and not improving your team. His obligation is to improve the team. If he passes on deals that improve the team for some bullpoop PR words he said, he's not doing his job properly.
- Unholy_Goalie

Conpletely different situation with Masai. That team had underachieved for years and they had a chance to get an arguably top 3 player in the leafs poop the bed and get eliminated from the first round for the next 3 years they'll shake up the core not immediately after they sign him long term. Nylanders contract is gonna be the best contract on the team once Rielly signs his next one. Under 7 for Nylander is going to be a steal. Matthews and marner are getting paid their worth.

Ha. Philly

Philly's goaltending.

45 minutes past my bedtime boyz.

good night!

keep the good fight going UG!

There’s isn’t any indication Petro would resign. He’s 8 months away from being able to. Friedman said today that Petro May have been offered but with Nylander being 6 years younger it’s the easy decision.

The leafs could keep Nylander until year 5...get 5 years out of him and trade him for a great return. Petro will be 33. His value will be significantly less.
- Santo_44

He's from the area, he obviously wants to win in his prime and he grew up playing with Tavares. There's definitely something there to get him to re-sign. Not to mention, his season isn't going the best this year so maybe the safe, long term contract is what he wants.

Nylander is still a surplus as a forward and doesn't help the Leafs blueline and eats up 7 million in cap space that can't be spent on defense, which is the one area they actually need to spend it.

Plenty of very good and great defenseman perform perfectly fine from 29-35. As a Norris candidate, he'd be just fine in that range and play a position of need.

Depends what position and role they are playing. If the Leafs had high priced All-Stars filling all the important positions, I don't really care if the 4th liner or bottom pairing D aren't scoring points as long as they aren't so bad that they hurt the team.

Beautiful part about getting a work horse like Pietrangelo is that he plays in all situations and he can log 25+ minutes a night so you're getting bang for your buck and the bottom pairing D is playing even less than usual.
- Unholy_Goalie

I would love to have him the but the cost IMO is high.
Yeah do understand that you need to give a little to get something but I'm not convertible with it. not my call in the end.

Conpletely different situation with Masai. That team had underachieved for years and they had a chance to get an arguably top 3 player in the leafs poop the bed and get eliminated from the first round for the next 3 years they'll shake up the core not immediately after they sign him long term. Nylanders contract is gonna be the best contract on the team once Rielly signs his next one. Under 7 for Nylander is going to be a steal. Matthews and marner are getting paid their worth.
- HealthyScratch6

Not necessarily and not a guarantee. Also, it doesn't really matter because he's still going to be the 4th or 5th best forward on the team. His cap hit is better spent on the blueline.

Depends what position and role they are playing. If the Leafs had high priced All-Stars filling all the important positions, I don't really care if the 4th liner or bottom pairing D aren't scoring points as long as they aren't so bad that they hurt the team.

Beautiful part about getting a work horse like Pietrangelo is that he plays in all situations and he can log 25+ minutes a night so you're getting bang for your buck and the bottom pairing D is playing even less than usual.
- Unholy_Goalie

False. Leafs had Matthews Tavares and Kadri down the middle and Andersen in net and you were freaking out all summer about their 4th line centre and back up goalie.

I get that he's not well liked around here and I get why, but he does make valid points, at least as much or even more than most.
- 13sundin13

Wrong

I would love to have him the but the cost IMO is high.
Yeah do understand that you need to give a little to get something but I'm not convertible with it. not my call in the end.
- dmnted

Like I said, if it costs Nylander, it's a big price to pay but it's easy to re-sign him because the 7 million owed to Nylander becomes available to give to Pietrangelo.

If it costs Zaitsev, Johnsson + whatever else, that's obviously even better because that's the lower price.

But at the end of the day, either way you cut it, adding a #1 RHD on the blueline improves the Leafs more than anything they'd be giving up to get him because they're moving assets they have a lot of and acquiring an asset they have very little of.

False. Leafs had Matthews Tavares and Kadri down the middle and Andersen in net and you were freaking out all summer about their 4th line centre and back up goalie.
- HealthyScratch6

Read very carefully. I said scoring points.

Read very carefully. I said scoring points.
- Unholy_Goalie

I can read. Not scoring points as long as they don't hurt the team. Has Lindholm hurt the team? Would having McElhinney as backup have hurt the team?

Read very carefully. I said scoring points.
- Unholy_Goalie

Where are Mason and Vermette playing right now?

I can read. Not scoring points as long as they don't hurt the team. Has Lindholm hurt the team? Would having McElhinney as backup have hurt the team?
- HealthyScratch6

We'll see how he does when he hits 60+ games and the playoffs. Played a lot of games as a winger too.

McElhinney is old and overrated. He needed to be replaced regardless. I'm not a fan of Sparks but the Leafs need a back-up who can play 25+ games and neither one of them are the ones to do it seems.

We'll see how he does when he hits 60+ games and the playoffs. Played a lot of games as a winger too.

McElhinney is old and overrated. He needed to be replaced regardless. I'm not a fan of Sparks but the Leafs need a back-up who can play 25+ games and neither one of them are the ones to do it seems.
- Unholy_Goalie

McElhinney would of been great for this year. He's not the long term solution. Maybe Woll or Scott in a couple years.

I get that he's not well liked around here and I get why, but he does make valid points, at least as much or even more than most.
- 13sundin13

Oh? I must have missed all the posts where those happen.

Oh? I must have missed all the posts where those happen.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think we all did

McElhinney would of been great for this year. He's not the long term solution. Maybe Woll or Scott in a couple years.
- HealthyScratch6

He wasn't the short term solution either. He played his career best and Babcock still didn't give him more games than the minimum. They need a back-up who can take the load off Andersen and give him more nights off.