When you go into OT the next shot could win, so why not go out with your best from the start? Having said that, the Flyers could have won in OT, but missed the opportunity. That is where the problems started. TK was back on defense and basically did very little. Couts skated back hard and did what he was supposed to do. Provy, skated back not so fast (could have been tired), but instead of taking the man in front of the net he skated to be beside Couts and left the shooter in front by himself while TK was not playing any D at that time nor in the picture. Poor assignment recognition. If they don't know what to do on a 3 Man OT shift, they shouldn't be out there.
- RustyPipes

TK had Johnny who took the shot that gives the rebound for Gio who's all alone to get another shot that Johnny buries the rebound from. But he chose to let him go. Flat out let him skate right into a high danger chance position and looked for his teammates to do the work he was in place to do. Look at his face after Johnny scores. He knows he's going to get a talking to when he's off the ice.

I honestly don't know how many more games I can watch without a major change being made. Might have to take a break from this mess for a while.
- hereticpride

Major change would be a mistake. If Q wants to coach by all means make that change, want to add a vet D fine by me but change for the sake of change will not accomplish anything positive. We are a young team, we just have to deal with the frustration now.

while TK was no help, part of the plan is to probably to have him be the Flier, puck breaks free and he is gone.
- wcorvette

I was thinking the same thing, but with good defense offensive opportunities arise. I don't like a guy ready to be a cherry picker, it leave defensive holes and gives the other teams more opportunities. If that is the philosophy of the coaching staff, it is a poor one and more games will be lost.

Major change would be a mistake. If Q wants to coach by all means make that change, want to add a vet D fine by me but change for the sake of change will not accomplish anything positive. We are a young team, we just have to deal with the frustration now.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Flyers aren’t been deployed as a young team looking to develop. This is a desperate team trying to sniff some winzzz by playing the “safe vets”. Nice to see it shoved up their ass, because it’s the wrong call.

Sanheim is arguably the best dman for the last what? Month and a half?

3rd consecutive OT loss where Giroux didn't play. You know the guy who leads the team in scoring by a good margin and got 102 pts last year?

They shouldn't let it get to OT but I think you need to give Giroux a chance.

Major change would be a mistake. If Q wants to coach by all means make that change, want to add a vet D fine by me but change for the sake of change will not accomplish anything positive. We are a young team, we just have to deal with the frustration now.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I stopped watching before the buffalo game. It’s too sad to watch hakstol destroy my beloved flyers.

In a world full of hate Im going to try and find some positives.

If you eliminate that disaster that was the second half of the Winnipeg game then the PK seems to have made series improvements with G and Coots playing more on it.

4 consecutive kills in the third last night was great to see.

I also feel like Elliot and Stolarz are at least serviceable enough to get you to the end of the year.

Giroux is having another great year.
Coots is looking like Coots of last year.
Sanheim and Hagg look like a solid couple of young dmen.

Look at the Rags. Ryan McDonagh got and J.T. Miller got moved, for one simple reason: the Rags realized it just wasn’t good enough.

Sometimes you just have to be honest, sack up and do it.

They’re just not good enough
- AllInForFlyers

Didn't the Flyers just fire the GM for not winning soon enough. Does trading the equivalent of those kind of players advance the team toward that goal or set them back. Working toward that goal is acquiring those kinds of players, not trading them.

Long overdue.

At this point though, I think I'd rather just keep him until EOY to complete the low-key tank

Also, Idk why I keep seeing Pietrangelo. He's good and all, but still overrated. I highly doubt he'd be worth the price tag.

Voracek hate, I don't understand. The dude is a top-20 point producer in the NHL since joining the flyers.
- JFlyers00

I dont hate Voracek, but I have been the most vocal about trading him. I love Voracek but this team needs a core shake up. This team has always been inconsistent with this core. Whether it was on the road vs home, 5 on 5 vs special teams, not playing full games.... And this trend continues across coaches, across GMs, and across assistant coaches.

So that leaves the Core players, and the easiest one to move that can get you the most value is Voracek. He is signed long term, without movement clauses. Couturier could get you a haul, but center is a NEED.

I honestly don't know how many more games I can watch without a major change being made. Might have to take a break from this mess for a while.
- hereticpride

A major change has been made. After wasting two months of the season, they finally put the proper player in their proper positions. We just need a coach who will make smart decisions and adjust the defense.

Didn't the Flyers just fire the GM for not winning soon enough. Does trading the equivalent of those kind of players advance the team toward that goal or set them back. Working toward that goal is acquiring those kinds of players, not trading them.
- MJL

Depends. Once this road trip ends maybe Fletcher explains that he needs the year. That yes it sound like Hextall's plan but he needs to reshape some things to move froward.

I understand what was said at the PC but I think there is a way to explain why you can't right now.

Look at the Rags. Ryan McDonagh got and J.T. Miller got moved, for one simple reason: the Rags realized it just wasn’t good enough.

Sometimes you just have to be honest, sack up and do it.

They’re just not good enough
- AllInForFlyers

The rangers also fired the coach

The players just need to buckle down and try harder. Concentrate harder. Basically what Hak has said and sack up.

Maybe bring in a Scientologist or Dr Drew? I think Carter Hart has a psychologist. Maybe he can share them with the team?

It has to come from within. I’d even be open for bringing in the Bikram Yoga guy.

Giroux is your best player. He needs to be out to win you the game.

As usual, the “safe” play was made. Conservative crap. Haks wet dream, an OT loser point.
- flyer_nutter

It wasn't about safe. There is nothing wrong with who started OT.

Flyers aren’t been deployed as a young team looking to develop. This is a desperate team trying to sniff some winzzz by playing the “safe vets”. Nice to see it shoved up their ass, because it’s the wrong call.

Sanheim is arguably the best dman for the last what? Month and a half?
- flyer_nutter

You keep beating the give Sanheim more ice time drum. Who are you pairing him with? Gudas and him aren't a 20 minute a game pair. Provorov and him hasn't been tried but that's a huge jump from 3rd pair minutes to top pair.

He was out there last night on the PK when Calgary scored it's one power play goal. He's only out there due to AMac being in the box.

Do you take Provorov off PP2? Maybe but that's deck chairs because PP2 only really gets about 30 seconds to do something.

I was thinking the same thing, but with good defense offensive opportunities arise. I don't like a guy ready to be a cherry picker, it leave defensive holes and gives the other teams more opportunities. If that is the philosophy of the coaching staff, it is a poor one and more games will be lost.
- RustyPipes

true but 3 on 3 is a little different, it is all out chaos... Tk needs to read that paly better and get down there. especially after they got burned in the OT in the last game.

Didn't the Flyers just fire the GM for not winning soon enough. Does trading the equivalent of those kind of players advance the team toward that goal or set them back. Working toward that goal is acquiring those kinds of players, not trading them.
- MJL

Depends on what you get. You can trade Voracek for comparable value, I add better depth, or plan for the future.

Maybe the Flyers want to win now. But what if you aren’t good enough to do what you want?

Wholy (frank) no. Not even my teams prospects, I wouldn't give that up for those two.
- manvanfan

twas a joke..

twas a joke..
- ajw12

You clearly forgot the faces then.

Depends on what you get. You can trade Voracek for comparable value, I add better depth, or plan for the future.

Maybe the Flyers want to win now. But what if you aren’t good enough to do what you want?
- AllInForFlyers

Hypothetically if you could do a Voracek for Stone. Is that signalling your giving up on the year? Could it also help moving forward?

Maybe we should hire Harts sports psychology guy for the entire team.

In a world full of hate Im going to try and find some positives.

If you eliminate that disaster that was the second half of the Winnipeg game then the PK seems to have made series improvements with G and Coots playing more on it.

4 consecutive kills in the third last night was great to see.

I also feel like Elliot and Stolarz are at least serviceable enough to get you to the end of the year.

Giroux is having another great year.
Coots is looking like Coots of last year.
Sanheim and Hagg look like a solid couple of young dmen.
- opeth_pa

its nice to see some positives....but its really hard to get excited about this team. I think they will fire Hak fairly soon. To me though you can't fire him until you have a viable replacement. I also think there will be a couple of substantial trades that will change this team in a very meaningful way. My hope after the dust settles is that players like Provy, Sanheim, Ghost, Patrick and maybe even Konecny hit their stride in the second half and re-gain their up word trend in their development....Perhaps see one of Morin or Myers get some time with the big club..that's a second half I can live with.

Hypothetically if you could do a Voracek for Stone. Is that signalling your giving up on the year? Could it also help moving forward?
- J35Bacher

I would do that in a heart beat. Why would they?

what the hell is wrong with everyone, Flyers picked up a point on the Pens and Isles, the plan to back into the playoffs is operating a full efficiency

The rangers also fired the coach
- Shrike

No one should be safe

If they trade players, they aren’t breaking up the 1980s Oilers, and if they fire the coach it isn’t like they fired Scotty Bowman