That's fine. Again, if you don't think he'll be able to play better than what we have because of his time off, then fine. Again, I don't agree, but I can see that side.

But the article states that he shouldn't come back after being deemed healthy due to health risks, and I disagree.
- jmatchett383

I am only using reasonable terms here. If Morin never got hurt again, I would say he is going to be less effective until he adjusts to the NHL. Now if someone sits out for more than a year, how do they get better during that time? So not only is he going to be adjusting to the NHL, but he will have to do so not playing for a long time AND regaining confidence from his injury. I think it's a pretty safe bet to say he will be less effective than most defensemen currently on the team until he plays 2-3 weeks.

Again, don't care about the article. I didn't write it. I read it real quick and someone asked for the short version so I gave it to them...that's it.

Love you sweet cheeks, but I think the time for big changes is not now. Simmonds? Sure why not. He’s pretty trash 5 on 5 and why give a guy who is likely to decline - a big contract? I don’t see the need, and as part of a “leadership core” he is as much to blame as anyone. He was one of the biggest floaters to start this season. (frank) him.

In terms of other trades, I just don’t see the point at this time. You aren’t winning poop this season, it’s already mid December. Make the deals at the draft and the deadline. In FA. When teams aren’t as likely to exploit you.

My other big reason for wanting to wait is this. You’ve got Myers an inch away from establishing himself. You’ve got Sanheim who is showing he is ready for more. Frost likely close. Patrick and Lind who are indeed going through some regression. I don’t like the idea of trading the kids when you put all this time into developing, and they are so close. See what you have in them, and then fine... trade their asses if you feel they don’t cut it.

The organization did this to themselves by not firing Hak after he was last demolished in the playoffs (again), and not letting Hextall go before the season began along with Murphy if they really felt so close to firing them.


This year should be on Holmgren as far as I am concerned. First and foremost.
- flyer_nutter

Im not sure with 2/3 s of the season left why now is not the time for changes?
I hope...actually I know that Fletcher wasn't brought here to take 2/3 of a season to see where we are at.....pretty sure we know where we are.
Hopefully he addresses the definite flaws in this team and acts....I'd rather he swings and misses rather then just stand there in the batters box trying to just size up the Pitcher!!

Fractured Vertebrae

yay Philly Sports!
- opeth_pa

it just (frank)ing figures...

So he's guaranteed to reinjure himself if he plays in the NHL this year?
- jmatchett383

Nowhere in my opinion did I mention risk of injury (new or reinjure). I'm speaking strictly from a hockey readiness pov.

Yes there is! The coach just isn't using it.
- MJL

What the beep. Beep beep BEEP.

What are you talking about? (Consider my blood pressure before replying.)

Im not sure with 2/3 s of the season left why now is not the time for changes?
I hope...actually I know that Fletcher wasn't brought here to take 2/3 of a season to see where we are at.....pretty sure we know where we are.
Hopefully he addresses the definite flaws in this team and acts....I'd rather he swings and misses rather then just stand there in the batters box trying to just size up the Pitcher!!
- landros 2

I would assume he will try to correct as many problems as he can, but it also takes 2 to tango. No one cares how many teams he talks to or how many free agents he offered contracts, it is all about what actually happens.

It's easy to say go get that guy and that guy, sign these guys and then trade these guys...other teams and players have to agree as well.

This sky is falling stuff people are spewing is out of control.

How many pro football players come of ACL normal recovery window and play fine....yet somehow with Sam its a MAJOR problem and he should get 18 months heal time. For christ's sake he's been skating for several weeks.

People need to brake check themselves.
- juiced

Comprehending what someone has written is important.

Im not sure with 2/3 s of the season left why now is not the time for changes?
I hope...actually I know that Fletcher wasn't brought here to take 2/3 of a season to see where we are at.....pretty sure we know where we are.
Hopefully he addresses the definite flaws in this team and acts....I'd rather he swings and misses rather then just stand there in the batters box trying to just size up the Pitcher!!
- landros 2

Brother, I am with you -- swing the freaking bat, here

Those numbers I quoted are an absolute abomination. You can't just always sit there and worry about what you're giving up and moan about not having a 2nd-round pick in 2020 when you're dead last on the PK AND 27th on the PP

You have to do something. They're showing you what they are. They keep showing you what they are.

I'm not saying you have to trade all of yours for all of theirs, but at some point, "trade talk" needs to turn into "trade"

This team isn't one or two pieces away. But don't try to tell me that moving out an asset and a pick for somebody who can kill a freaking penalty is going to break the Flyers

Wow, these trade proposals are (frank)ing stupid today.
- Tomahawk

I liked the John Scott one.

There was no legitimate reason to fire Hakstol after last season.
- MJL

For this organization, apparently there wasn’t.

I would assume he will try to correct as many problems as he can, but it also takes 2 to tango. No one cares how many teams he talks to or how many free agents he offered contracts, it is all about what actually happens.

It's easy to say go get that guy and that guy, sign these guys and then trade these guys...other teams and players have to agree as well.
- Glak18

yup....you also have to give up to get. Hextall didn't seem to want to give from his youth.....with Fletcher that may have changed....how much, I guess we'll see. Something else to consider...there are some other teams that are in the same boat and feel changes can help. These teams also have some big ticket players.

You know why this is infuriating? Not because I think you're wrong, but because this poop shouldn't be happening

All I (frank)ing hear about is this amazing farm system and all this cap space and all this talented youth, and you know what?

The on-ice isn't good enough.

Answer me this: What good is it to have this amazing freaking system and all this talented youth if you're putting Dale Weise on the ice with 38 seconds left in a one-goal game -- and he doesn't get the (frank)ing puck cleared and it winds up in your freaking net?

What is the point of that? It makes no sense.

Either you're using the youth and the farm system and living with their mistakes, or spend the (frank)ing cap space and burn assets to make the on-ice better

But nope.

We're in this hell of Sanheim and Lindblom playing a little, Weise and MacDonald on the ice in the final minute, AND STILL LOSING

WTF, man
- AllInForFlyers

It’s painful as (frank) to rebuild. It is. That’s maybe the best answer I can give.

I suppose I am not really against moves now that would help the team also long term. I just think a top 5 pick goes a lot farther to help bring us to our goal than a few more meaningless wins this year.

Load it up for next year. By all means.

For this organization, apparently there wasn’t.
- flyer_nutter

10 point improvement and 3rd place finish..
Pretty sure lots of teams wouldnt have fired him then.


Different story now..

Brother, I am with you -- swing the freaking bat, here

Those numbers I quoted are an absolute abomination. You can't just always sit there and worry about what you're giving up and moan about not having a 2nd-round pick in 2020 when you're dead last on the PK AND 27th on the PP

You have to do something. They're showing you what they are. They keep showing you what they are.

I'm not saying you have to trade all of yours for all of theirs, but at some point, "trade talk" needs to turn into "trade"

This team isn't one or two pieces away. But don't try to tell me that moving out an asset and a pick for somebody who can kill a freaking penalty is going to break the Flyers
- AllInForFlyers

nobodies suggesting we are a couple pieces away, but I would argue this team has some extremely talented players and they should be better then what they are showing. To me Hakstol has reached the end...hell I think he should have reached it last year. The ownership/management group wants improvement now...to me that's doable, but your gonna have to give up talent to get better. Frankly I could care less what they give up if it makes them better today and tomorrow.
what is as plain as day, is this team will not win the way its currently constructed and with Hakstol behind the bench. Its time to shake things up.

It’s painful as (frank) to rebuild. It is. That’s maybe the best answer I can give.

I suppose I am not really against moves now that would help the team also long term. I just think a top 5 pick goes a lot farther to help bring us to our goal than a few more meaningless wins this year.

Load it up for next year. By all means.
- flyer_nutter

Man, I am just super pissed. This is just ridiculous, where we are right now

What the beep. Beep beep BEEP.

What are you talking about? (Consider my blood pressure before replying.)
- NC Flyers Fan

It's sarcasm my friend.

Regarding the pain of rebuilding.

The Jets to me are a similar story. Kind of mediocre with first round exits, old core in place to help the transition to a new core.

It’s not until landing Laine, the real emergence of Scheifele, and the realization that Noel is a moron that needs to be replaced - that a real step forward is taken.

Flyers need to stay the course. Make the right moves here. Find the right bench bosses and take a high pick for some solid talent.

The path to being a contending team for multiple seasons, with a real chance at winning the cup - not simply making it to the dance needs to continue.

Be in that top tier of clubs. Nashville, Tampa, Toronto and Winnipeg. The rebuilds of LA and Chicago took years too. Don’t become Minnesota just to win a few more games.

For this organization, apparently there wasn’t.
- flyer_nutter

You can stop fretting. The Flyers will have a new coach. Its just a question of when.

Regarding the pain of rebuilding.

The Jets to me are a similar story. Kind of mediocre with first round exits, old core in place to help the transition to a new core.

It’s not until landing Laine, the real emergence of Scheifele, and the realization that Noel is a moron that needs to be replaced - that a real step forward is taken.

Flyers need to stay the course. Make the right moves here. Find the right bench bosses and take a high pick for some solid talent.

The path to being a contending team for multiple seasons, with a real chance at winning the cup - not simply making it to the dance needs to continue.

Be in that top tier of clubs. Nashville, Tampa, Toronto and Winnipeg. The rebuilds of LA and Chicago took years too. Don’t become Minnesota just to win a few more games.
- flyer_nutter

#TeamHughes

By the way, when do they announce WJC rosters?

#TeamHughes
- Glak18

Even if they don't win the lotto the Flyers could conceivably power anyone off the board trying to move up to #1, assuming that team is willing to move the pick.

Have to see how the chips fall this season. But it's something I'd consider at the draft for sure.

Even if they don't win the lotto the Flyers could conceivably power anyone off the board trying to move up to #1, assuming that team is willing to move the pick.

Have to see how the chips fall this season. But it's something I'd consider at the draft for sure.
- hereticpride

The teams that have the best shot at getting Hughes I doubt would be willing to trade, even if it was for multiple 1sts and prospects. I know if the Flyers won I do not want another teams first and additional prospects. I want a young superstar instead.

#TeamHughes
- Glak18

My fear, is this is where Hextall was at generally. Figured if it’s going to be one step back to take two forward so be it.

Think Scott lost patience.

The teams that have the best shot at getting Hughes I doubt would be willing to trade, even if it was for multiple 1sts and prospects. I know if the Flyers won I do not want another teams first and additional prospects. I want a young superstar instead.
- Glak18

McDavid, Matthews, or Laine?

McDavid, Matthews, or Laine?
- jmatchett383

Not McDavid, but in the Matthews or Eichel range.