I watched most of the game ... and then the end when Ducks started. Flyers have the offensive firepower to play with anybody.
To me they need to at least reach out and see what hawks would want for Craw. Maybe talk to St Lou about Parayko. Send WS to Leafs for picks or prospects. A couple of tweaks here and there.

Nolan Patrick 10:27 of ice, where are you Super Schenn Bro?????
- ClaudeFather

Out looking for a legitimate #1 center to replace that stiff Couturier.

Now you sound like MJL. Of course it’s not a LOCK to be the fix. Nothing is a lock. But history shows that bringing in a coach with the resume of Joel Quenneville is usually a good choice.
- BiggE

He made a solid well thought out point. I agree, he does sound like me there.

He made a solid well thought out point. I agree, he does sound like me there.
- MJL

lol

I watched most of the game ... and then the end when Ducks started. Flyers have the offensive firepower to play with anybody.
To me they need to at least reach out and see what hawks would want for Craw. Maybe talk to St Lou about Parayko. Send WS to Leafs for picks or prospects. A couple of tweaks here and there.
- dozerD10

Corey Crawford would have had the same (if not worse) stat line as Stolarz last night. He's been the beneficiary if some very good Blackhawks teams but, to me, he's generally been a slightly-above-average goalie who's not getting any younger.

Missed most of the game but just watched the highlights. Wow. Just a pathetic collapse.

Now you sound like MJL. Of course it’s not a LOCK to be the fix. Nothing is a lock. But history shows that bringing in a coach with the resume of Joel Quenneville is usually a good choice.
- BiggE

Nah, it wasn't NEARLY condescending enough, and he didn't ask a question that is unanswerable.

Corey Crawford would have had the same (if not worse) stat line as Stolarz last night. He's been the beneficiary if some very good Blackhawks teams but, to me, he's generally been a slightly-above-average goalie who's not getting any younger.
- jmatchett383

I don't think a goalie like Crawford on his own will turn around this team, but he had several really good playoff runs. I think he's underrated overall.

Tough loss last night...In other news water is wet.


The people crying about Sanheims or NOPAs ice time last night did you actually watch the third where the Flyers essentially killed a PP for 6 mins of ice time in a row meaning time they wouldn't be out there.

I also feel like while there is nothing wrong with starting Coots, TK and Provy in OT is sort of like Pederson not going for the two points this past Sunday. You are making the safe play. Nothing wrong with the safe play other than I don't think the safe play , while having the greatest risk, gives you the best chance of reward.

It's not even close the talent level between G, Jake and Ghost vs Coots, TK and Provy.
Go for the kill dont go for the safe.

Tough loss last night...In other news water is wet.


The people crying about Sanheims or NOPAs ice time last night did you actually watch the third where the Flyers essentially killed a PP for 6 mins of ice time in a row meaning time they wouldn't be out there.

I also feel like while there is nothing wrong with starting Coots, TK and Provy in OT is sort of like Pederson not going for the two points this past Sunday. You are making the safe play. Nothing wrong with the safe play other than I don't think the safe play , while having the greatest risk, gives you the best chance of reward.

It's not even close the talent level between G, Jake and Ghost vs Coots, TK and Provy.
Go for the kill dont go for the safe.
- opeth_pa

Look at the OT numbers. That trio has scored just as much. There is also the opposition to consider.

I love how this particular edition of the Flyers finds new and interesting ways to kick their fans in the balls on a weekly basis.

Let's really get weird with this thing, boys.

Tough loss last night...In other news water is wet.


The people crying about Sanheims or NOPAs ice time last night did you actually watch the third where the Flyers essentially killed a PP for 6 mins of ice time in a row meaning time they wouldn't be out there.

I also feel like while there is nothing wrong with starting Coots, TK and Provy in OT is sort of like Pederson not going for the two points this past Sunday. You are making the safe play. Nothing wrong with the safe play other than I don't think the safe play , while having the greatest risk, gives you the best chance of reward.

It's not even close the talent level between G, Jake and Ghost vs Coots, TK and Provy.
Go for the kill dont go for the safe.
- opeth_pa

Especially against a Western Conference opponent.

I don't think a goalie like Crawford on his own will turn around this team, but he had several really good playoff runs. I think he's underrated overall.
- Feanor

Well, I think he's bit overrated, but that's okay.

But I do agree, he's not enough to turn this around on his own. Nothing short of a goaltender playing at Vezina level will turn this around solely by a goalie acquisition.

Tough loss last night...In other news water is wet.


The people crying about Sanheims or NOPAs ice time last night did you actually watch the third where the Flyers essentially killed a PP for 6 mins of ice time in a row meaning time they wouldn't be out there.

I also feel like while there is nothing wrong with starting Coots, TK and Provy in OT is sort of like Pederson not going for the two points this past Sunday. You are making the safe play. Nothing wrong with the safe play other than I don't think the safe play , while having the greatest risk, gives you the best chance of reward.

It's not even close the talent level between G, Jake and Ghost vs Coots, TK and Provy.
Go for the kill dont go for the safe.
- opeth_pa

We are almost dead last in the standings, we need the points, you start the big guns. He's doen this two games in a row with that trio now and we lost both games.

This core has failed under 2 coaches, neither of whom had any experience as a head coach prior to taking the Flyers job. I think an experienced coach like Quenneville, who has won 3 Stanley Cups as a head coach, could make a tremendous difference.

This has happened before in recent Flyers history. After the mess that was Cashman/Neilson/Ramsay/Barber, the Flyers brought in Ken Hitchcock and made it clear to the players that it was now 100% on them. The same would hold true if the Flyers brought in Quenneville.

Also, for those who claim that this core has failed under 3 coaches, that is a fallacy. Coots, Simmonds and Voracek were kids under Lavi and not part of the core. The core of that team, once Pronger got hurt and the trades of 2011 were made, was Timonen, Briere, Hartnell and the new young captain, Giroux. To say that the current core failed under Laviolette is simply wrong.
- BiggE

Still failing under 2 coaches with the same issues and different role players is a problem. I would love Q. But I also think a lot of the core could remain in tact I think we need a defensive leader. Our kimmo. Even a 33 34 year old a little past hisnprime that can still give solid 2nd 3rd pairing minutes but would add more leadership and be a coach on the ice would go a long way.

Now you sound like MJL. Of course it’s not a LOCK to be the fix. Nothing is a lock. But history shows that bringing in a coach with the resume of Joel Quenneville is usually a good choice.
- BiggE

no change guarantee's success....but to think this thing can fix its self is ridiculous. It got Hextall fired. But the accountability wont stop there. The new guy wasn't brought in to continue the patience by growth philosophy. I'm actually concerned that Haks inability to get through to these players is hurting some of the young guys and their growth.... That would be a shame.

The issue with this game was the Flyers were soft as butter around their net. Not one flame player was challenged or had to fight to get to the puck. Not a single flame player had to pay a price to get to puck in the so called greasy areas of the ice. The front of the Flyers net is the NHL version of Candyland.
- MJL

This really sums up the Flyers in general IMO..Well said.

The Flyers need some nasty in the defensive zone clearing the crease or doing something more than just waving their sticks at the opposing team like a rejected Game of Thrones sword fighter.

He made a solid well thought out point. I agree, he does sound like me there.
- MJL

SO whats your fix? Your the GM. What's your plan?

From most of your posts you say stay the course because it's on the players. People offer the easiest move, fire the coach, and you say it's on the players.

We say make a trade, you say it's not a magic fix.

So where do you go? Your either ok sitting another year out of the playoffs and hoping you get a high enough pick to get an impact player and hope your previous picks continue to develop or hope some guys like Patrick, Gostisbehere and Provorov actually get better and not regress.

The previous GM said it was the goal of this team to win a round in the playoffs. You signed a big name FA to solid money to affirm this goal.

So what's your plan? Are we in another year of retooling? Our core is ageing and we just keep pushing back the time to actually take a step forward?

Because a lot of your posts seem to say, new coach wont help, new players won't help and firing Hextall was a mistake.

Well, I think he's bit overrated, but that's okay.

But I do agree, he's not enough to turn this around on his own. Nothing short of a goaltender playing at Vezina level will turn this around solely by a goalie acquisition.
- jmatchett383

Stoly and hopefully healthy elliot can give us above average goaltending. Crawford is not an significant enough upgrade for me to part with young valuanle assets. Unless it's a part of a bigger trade. Give me a bigger body wing who can play 2 way hockey if g stays at center or a better defensive 3c. And a veteran d man.

Look at the OT numbers. That trio has scored just as much. There is also the opposition to consider.
- MJL

Great Im looking at the numbers and while similar are you honestly going to tell me that based on talent and the space in OT:

Coots + TK + Provy = Giroux + Jake + Ghost?

We are almost dead last in the standings, we need the points, you start the big guns. He's doen this two games in a row with that trio now and we lost both games.
- ClaudeFather

No, you do not let this game to go in OT, by pressing up instead of "clamping down" (Hak post game words).

Tough loss last night...In other news water is wet.


The people crying about Sanheims or NOPAs ice time last night did you actually watch the third where the Flyers essentially killed a PP for 6 mins of ice time in a row meaning time they wouldn't be out there.

I also feel like while there is nothing wrong with starting Coots, TK and Provy in OT is sort of like Pederson not going for the two points this past Sunday. You are making the safe play. Nothing wrong with the safe play other than I don't think the safe play , while having the greatest risk, gives you the best chance of reward.

It's not even close the talent level between G, Jake and Ghost vs Coots, TK and Provy.
Go for the kill dont go for the safe.
- opeth_pa

Last year the exact opposite happened. Couturier had 5 OT points, but was on the ice for 5 goals against. The safe option was Giroux who only had 1 assist, but wasn't on the ice for any goals.

OT goals:
2 - Konency, Couturier, Voracek
1 - Simmonds, Ghost, Weal

OT assists:
3 - Couturier
2 - Provorov, Couturier, Konecny, Ghost, Filppula
1 - Voracek, Giroux

On ice for ES goals against:
5 - Voracek, Couturier
4 - Ghost
2 - Provorov, Patrick
1 - Sanheim, Manning, Konecny, Simmonds

On ice for PP goals against:

Total ice time
3 Gudas - 2:24
6 Sanheim - 1:45
8 Hagg - 0:46
9 Provorov - 33:27
23 Manning - 2:36
47 MacDonald - 8:02
53 Ghost - 33:56

11 Konecny - 22:11
14 Couturier - 34:07
17 Simmonds - 11:28
19 Patrick - 5:08
21 Laughton - 0:18
28 Giroux - 27:30
40 Weal - 5:39
51 Filppula - 14:32
93 Voracek - 32:00

You want to see a huge problem with last night's game



Holy hell did Calgary shoot from everywhere.

Also I'd love to see ice time by zone. I feel like some lines were stuck in the Flyers end most of the night.

No, you do not let this game to go in OT, by pressing up instead of "clamping down" (Hak post game words).
- missingmike

If Hak actually said that then he is right..You could make a case that you could start the Giroux trio or the Coots trip in OT.

You can't in anyway make a case that you should give up a two goal lead with less than 2 mins left.

We are almost dead last in the standings, we need the points, you start the big guns. He's doen this two games in a row with that trio now and we lost both games.
- ClaudeFather

Perhaps Sean Couturier should cover someone around the net. Never mind, that's the coaches fault for putting out his 70 point , Selke finalist center who had a 3 point game, to start in OT.