No, you do not let this game to go in OT, by pressing up instead of "clamping down" (Hak post game words).
- missingmike

We went to OT cheif, there is a decision to be made, and Hak decided not to start Giroux. We lost on the first shift. Two OT games in a row.

Last night wasn't just on Stolarz.
The neutral one, (in the 3rd, with a 2 goal lead), should have been bottled up to prevent easy access.
Instead its looked like a speedway like 80's hockey.
There is ample blame to go around.

STFU Nerd, completely separate issue.
- Hatchet

rinaldo is that you?!?

I'm just done with this team being the same for the last what 7 seasons? That long of this inconsistency needs more than a coaching change to a proven coach.
- dragonoffrost

Seven seasons? Seven seasons ago was 11-12. There are only 4 players left on the roster from then. There have been a ton of changes since that time. Everyone wants to throw the core forwards on this team under the bus, but that’s just scapegoating. Are their flaws in the way the core, mainly Jake and Simmonds, have been playing? Sure, absolutely. But can you blame the core players when the team is relying on a 21 year old kid to be their #1 Dman, when lack even one legit, quality, veteran top 4 Dman, when they are forced to rely on a patchwork cast of goalies?

Giroux, Couturier, Voracek and Simmonds are not what is wrong with this team. That doesn’t mean you don’t trade Simmonds or even Jake in a deal that you feel improves the team. But if you think that moving one or two of those guys is going to magically fix this team, you are most likely wrong.

no change guarantee's success....but to think this thing can fix its self is ridiculous. It got Hextall fired. But the accountability wont stop there. The new guy wasn't brought in to continue the patience by growth philosophy. I'm actually concerned that Haks inability to get through to these players is hurting some of the young guys and their growth.... That would be a shame.
- landros 2

Does no one see I am calling for Management and Player changes....

Perhaps Sean Couturier should cover someone around the net. Never mind, that's the coaches fault for putting out his 70 point , Selke finalist center who had a 3 point game, to start in OT.
- MJL

How did this trio do last game we went to OT? Goal given up on first shift. Selke finalist something something

Last year the exact opposite happened. Couturier had 5 OT points, but was on the ice for 5 goals against. The safe option was Giroux who only had 1 assist, but wasn't on the ice for any goals.

- Feanor

I know your obsession with having a stat to actually show that Coots is the best , most talented , most wonderful player the Flyers have seems to have no limits.

IMO Giroux, Jake and Ghost is a more talented trio then Coots, TK and Provy for three on three.

Moot point, lets not lose a 2 goal lead at the end of the game and we dont have this discussion.

Perhaps Sean Couturier should cover someone around the net. Never mind, that's the coaches fault for putting out his 70 point , Selke finalist center who had a 3 point game, to start in OT.
- MJL

Wasn't it a 3 on 2 down low because Konecny was out of the zone?

I know your obsession with having a stat to actually show that Coots is the best , most talented , most wonderful player the Flyers have seems to have no limits.

IMO Giroux, Jake and Ghost is a more talented trio then Coots, TK and Provy for three on three.

Moot point, lets not lose a 2 goal lead at the end of the game and we dont have this discussion.
- opeth_pa

You start your best Franking players in Giroux and Jake, awful personel decision by Hak AGAIN.

rinaldo is that you?!?
- ajw12

I thought that same thing

Perhaps Sean Couturier should cover someone around the net. Never mind, that's the coaches fault for putting out his 70 point , Selke finalist center who had a 3 point game, to start in OT.
- MJL

I have no issues with Coots starting as I said, I think based on talent, that is the safe play vs the higher risk\higher reward play.

Nothing wrong with safe play and two games to me does not make something a reality I just personally think the other trio gives you a better chance at scoring in OT but also has a higher risk of giving up a goal.

It really feels that this season has slipped away. There are so many issues to be addressed that no responsible GM could fix them before the end of the season. The easiest solution is that the players look to themselves and address their on-ice inconsistencies. People talk about a "shake-up" trade but I don't know that the players even care anymore.

Take a peek at Lindblom and Sanheim’s ice time.

D-velopment boys.
- flyer_nutter

That prospect pool

If Hak actually said that then he is right..You could make a case that you could start the Giroux trio or the Coots trip in OT.

You can't in anyway make a case that you should give up a two goal lead with less than 2 mins left.
- opeth_pa

he did not say that about OT- it was about 3d period. He wanted even more clamp down with 2 goal lead. Did he look at # of shots in the 3d. There were clamping down entire period (granted they were PKing a lot), but when you have an empty net out there, you just push for it.

Wasn't it a 3 on 2 down low because Konecny was out of the zone?
- J35Bacher

Lets not forget that ..TK was literally covering the face off dot while the play was essentially in the crease.

Looks like he was trying to get ready for a break out vs handling the business in front of him.

We went to OT cheif, there is a decision to be made, and Hak decided not to start Giroux. We lost on the first shift. Two OT games in a row.
- ClaudeFather

OT was not my point at all.

Wasn't it a 3 on 2 down low because Konecny was out of the zone?
- J35Bacher

Provorov was coming back from a breakaway, that's, (unfortunately), how OT can bite any team in the ass.

Amazing how everyone is Couturier bashing today for starting in OT, when it should never have gotten to OT in the first place.

SO whats your fix? Your the GM. What's your plan?

From most of your posts you say stay the course because it's on the players. People offer the easiest move, fire the coach, and you say it's on the players.

We say make a trade, you say it's not a magic fix.

So where do you go? Your either ok sitting another year out of the playoffs and hoping you get a high enough pick to get an impact player and hope your previous picks continue to develop or hope some guys like Patrick, Gostisbehere and Provorov actually get better and not regress.

The previous GM said it was the goal of this team to win a round in the playoffs. You signed a big name FA to solid money to affirm this goal.

So what's your plan? Are we in another year of retooling? Our core is ageing and we just keep pushing back the time to actually take a step forward?

Because a lot of your posts seem to say, new coach wont help, new players won't help and firing Hextall was a mistake.
- J35Bacher

I haven't once objected to changing coaches. Nor have I once stated that a new coach won't help. What I have stated is that even with a new coach, players still have to play. I see basic fundamental errors being made. That certainly reflects on a coach but it's not coaching. I want the team to continue to draft and develop. I don't want them to try and shine a turd. They need a goalie for next year so if a deal can be made in season at a reasonable cost, I'd make.it. I think anything else for this season is a fool's errand.

How did this trio do last game we went to OT? Goal given up on first shift. Selke finalist something something
- ClaudeFather

they did last an extra 26 seconds before they got scored on....baby steps I guess.

Provorov was coming back from a breakaway, that's, (unfortunately), how OT can bite any team in the ass.

Amazing how everyone is Couturier bashing today for starting in OT, when it should never have gotten to OT in the first place.
- puckhead17

Exactly. Blowing a 2 goal lead that late in a game is flat out inexcusable. Period, end of story.

Wasn't it a 3 on 2 down low because Konecny was out of the zone?
- J35Bacher

Provorov was up ice.

Exactly. Blowing a 2 goal lead that late in a game is flat out inexcusable. Period, end of story.
- BiggE

the really sad thing is....I wasn't surprised. This team is "dead man walking".

You start your best Franking players in Giroux and Jake, awful personel decision by Hak AGAIN.
- ClaudeFather

Provorov and Couturier aren't on the Flyers best player list?

Provorov was coming back from a breakaway, that's, (unfortunately), how OT can bite any team in the ass.

Amazing how everyone is Couturier bashing today for starting in OT, when it should never have gotten to OT in the first place.
- puckhead17

Yep the wheels in that game come off at 2:17 of the third when Simmer is standing right in front of a ref being told Wayne don't throw another and BOOM there he goes and does it. Then at 7:23, 9:22 and 13:02 when three totally had to be called lazy ass penalties are taken. Say anything about them killing all 4 to give them credit but you can't defend a lead taking 4 penalties in a period. It's playing with fire.

I have no issues with Coots starting as I said, I think based on talent, that is the safe play vs the higher risk\higher reward play.

Nothing wrong with safe play and two games to me does not make something a reality I just personally think the other trio gives you a better chance at scoring in OT but also has a higher risk of giving up a goal.
- opeth_pa

How about putting out the best trio when they don't have to defend against the Flames best trio?