Provorov was up ice.
- MJL

When the goal is scored Provorov is there with the play. Konecny is smelling flowers at the face off dot alone on the far side.

ugh

Yep the wheels in that game come off at 2:17 of the third when Simmer is standing right in front of a ref being told Wayne don't throw another and BOOM there he goes and does it. Then at 7:23, 9:22 and 13:02 when three totally had to be called lazy ass penalties are taken. Say anything about them killing all 4 to give them credit but you can't defend a lead taking 4 penalties in a period. It's playing with fire.
- dragonoffrost

It’s a terrible lack of discipline. Is it on the players? Absolutely. Does it also reflect poorly on the coach? Yup, absolutely.

Seven seasons? Seven seasons ago was 11-12. There are only 4 players left on the roster from then. There have been a ton of changes since that time. Everyone wants to throw the core forwards on this team under the bus, but that’s just scapegoating. Are their flaws in the way the core, mainly Jake and Simmonds, have been playing? Sure, absolutely. But can you blame the core players when the team is relying on a 21 year old kid to be their #1 Dman, when lack even one legit, quality, veteran top 4 Dman, when they are forced to rely on a patchwork cast of goalies?

Giroux, Couturier, Voracek and Simmonds are not what is wrong with this team. That doesn’t mean you don’t trade Simmonds or even Jake in a deal that you feel improves the team. But if you think that moving one or two of those guys is going to magically fix this team, you are most likely wrong.
- BiggE

Thank you!

Exactly. Blowing a 2 goal lead that late in a game is flat out inexcusable. Period, end of story.
- BiggE

How often have we been down in the 3rd, and can't generate any speed through the neutral zone because the opposition has it bottled up?
Last night was ridiculous how easy it was for them to get into the zone, with possession, and generate shot after shot with traffic.

Everyone can yell about the coach, and goalie situation, (which does factor in), but there is a lot of blame to go around.

Lets not forget that ..TK was literally covering the face off dot while the play was essentially in the crease.

Looks like he was trying to get ready for a break out vs handling the business in front of him.
- opeth_pa

That's how I saw it as well. he was looking for the rebound to get by the Calgary guy. It didn't.

I haven't once objected to changing coaches. Nor have I once stated that a new coach won't help. What I have stated is that even with a new coach, players still have to play. I see basic fundamental errors being made. That certainly reflects on a coach but it's not coaching. I want the team to continue to draft and develop. I don't want them to try and shine a turd. They need a goalie for next year so if a deal can be made in season at a reasonable cost, I'd make.it. I think anything else for this season is a fool's errand.
- MJL

And I think everyone understands this.

But I also feel making a trade doesn't take away from drafting and developing either. I feel like a lot of your posts insinuate that you can't do both. It has to be either one or the other.

Any move made has the chance of helping or not.

They need to figure out the Simmonds situation. And they need to figure the Provorov contract. I have seen places wondering if that has a little something to do with his play. I am not going to say it does but if it is then maybe look to address it.

ugh
- Scoob

Pretty much sums up the entire Flyers 18-19 season so far.

Can see the new marketing campaign:

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers.....UGH!

It’s a terrible lack of discipline. Is it on the players? Absolutely. Does it also reflect poorly on the coach? Yup, absolutely.
- BiggE

of course it does....this teams structure is so inconsistent . That's on the coach.

of course it does....this teams structure is so inconsistent . That's on the coach.
- landros 2

It reflects on them all. GM, Coach, Players... one change has been made. More than one more are needed and better damn well be coming.

Provorov and Couturier aren't on the Flyers best player list?
- MJL

Claude Giroux is the best player on the Flyers, he was not on the ice. And no, at the moment Provorov is not on my best players list.

It reflects on them all. GM, Coach, Players... one change has been made. More than one more are needed and better damn well be coming.
- dragonoffrost

That, most of us agree on....changes are coming. Mercifully so.

How about putting out the best trio when they don't have to defend against the Flames best trio?
- MJL

How'd that work for us lmaooo.

Yep the wheels in that game come off at 2:17 of the third when Simmer is standing right in front of a ref being told Wayne don't throw another and BOOM there he goes and does it. Then at 7:23, 9:22 and 13:02 when three totally had to be called lazy ass penalties are taken. Say anything about them killing all 4 to give them credit but you can't defend a lead taking 4 penalties in a period. It's playing with fire.
- dragonoffrost

Agreed! And technically they could have easily had 3/4 more holds, & trips called.

Look how Hitch has Edmonton playing now, especially with the lead.
Forcing teams to run into a blue line wall, or dump in, and then it gets dumped out.

They're a structural mess right now.

That, most of us agree on....changes are coming. Mercifully so.

- landros 2

GM has the green light to make changes, he is going to roll some heads.

How about putting out the best trio when they don't have to defend against the Flames best trio?
- MJL

How did that work out though?


You think Coots, TK and Provy are the right choice to start OT.
I think Giroux, Jake and Ghost are the right choice.

Neither one is wrong, they just bring different elements to the game.

How'd that work for us lmaooo.
- ClaudeFather

It's pretty hard to defend 3 on 3....you try stay on your man coverage, but that's tough. To me you go with your most talented guys. Giroux front and center.

And I think everyone understands this.

But I also feel making a trade doesn't take away from drafting and developing either. I feel like a lot of your posts insinuate that you can't do both. It has to be either one or the other.

Any move made has the chance of helping or not.

They need to figure out the Simmonds situation. And they need to figure the Provorov contract. I have seen places wondering if that has a little something to do with his play. I am not going to say it does but if it is then maybe look to address it.
- J35Bacher

With a new GM the Simmonds situation may get a different view now in regards to if he stays or not.

GM has the green light to make changes, he is going to roll some heads.
- ClaudeFather

thank Christ.

How did that work out though?


You think Coots, TK and Provy are the right choice to start OT.
I think Giroux, Jake and Ghost are the right choice.

Neither one is wrong, they just bring different elements to the game.
- opeth_pa

One group has lost OT off the opening shift two games in a row. Should we try for three?

Pretty much sums up the entire Flyers 18-19 season so far.

Can see the new marketing campaign:

Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers.....UGH!
- BiggE

I guess with this current team is I really hate the mix.

When I look at them i feel like there is just too much similarity in a way with guys.

Simmonds, Raffl, JVR, Lindblom, Wiese, Laughton all seem to be kind of the same in a way.

Maybe I am not explaining it well.

I just feel they lack any dynamicness to separate them.

I don't know how to explain it.

The issue with this game was the Flyers were soft as butter around their net. Not one flame player was challenged or had to fight to get to the puck. Not a single flame player had to pay a price to get to puck in the so called greasy areas of the ice. The front of the Flyers net is the NHL version of Candyland.
- MJL

I'm pretty sure you've written this after a different deflating loss this season, but yeah it's 100% true

It's pretty hard to defend 3 on 3....you try stay on your man coverage, but that's tough. To me you go with your most talented guys. Giroux front and center.
- landros 2

Usually the teams that defend, and just dump in are playing for the shootout.
The players used in OT can be debated, but it should have never went to OT in the first place.
That's the bigger issue.

When the goal is scored Provorov is there with the play. Konecny is smelling flowers at the face off dot alone on the far side.
- dragonoffrost

He hustled back but I put it more on Couturier and Konency.

One group has lost OT off the opening shift two games in a row. Should we try for three?
- ClaudeFather

That would be pretty funny if the game goes to OT Friday in Edmonton and that's who he throws out....because you know 97 is on the ice for Edmonton for sure...100%