2013? Toews Handzus Bolland (Ghost of) and Kruger. Hardly say that is stacked down the middle.

2010 Toews Sharp Bolland Madden.

2015 Toews Richards Vermette Kruger

2010 probably had the best Center depth. Handzus and Richards aren't legit 2Cs.
- bhawks2241

Richards definitely wasn't a 2 way C, but I liked how he would just shoot from anywhere.

2013? Toews Handzus Bolland (Ghost of) and Kruger. Hardly say that is stacked down the middle.

2010 Toews Sharp Bolland Madden.

2015 Toews Richards Vermette Kruger

2010 probably had the best Center depth. Handzus and Richards aren't legit 2Cs.
- bhawks2241

No their not but Remeber where dealing with El cheapo Stan, yes Richards did work out but wasn't he relegated to the third line? More So Chicago had a plethora of talented supporting players all of whom contributed. 2015 was Tevo rookie year .

Right now the make up depth is horrible.

Toews isn't a number 1 center anymore maybe 2 or 3 , strome is young and developing, kampf is questionable.

Richards definitely wasn't a 2 way C, but I liked how he would just shoot from anywhere.
- breadbag

No he wasn't but he was great on the face offs nice passer and could shoot.

What Chicago needs though is to get some solid center help.

Even if toews stays he won't be your 1 or 2 guy just because of his style and father time which makes him more a 3 or 2 for now.

McJesus with 300 career NHL points at age 21.....
- EnzoD

Edmonton has a young fantastic group of talent all locked up for 8 years .

Drasati,mcdavid, Nugent . That team if it can ever get things going will be scary .

Crow's winter classic mask is cooler than hell!

No he wasn't but he was great on the face offs nice passer and could shoot.

What Chicago needs though is to get some solid center help.

Even if toews stays he won't be your 1 or 2 guy just because of his style and father time which makes him more a 3 or 2 for now.
- Taylorst1

Honestly, now that they have Strome, I feel like they need wing help a lot more. Toews is still a 1C. Even if his offense is only average for 1C, the rest of his game makes up for it. Strome is probably the 2C for the foreseeable future. Kind of where they wanted to slide Schmaltz but he couldn't win a draw. They just need to figure out what to do with AA and maybe they can get a legit 3C.

The Top 6 needs a LW and they need D.

Edmonton has a young fantastic group of talent all locked up for 8 years .

Drasati,mcdavid, Nugent . That team if it can ever get things going will be scary .
- Taylorst1

What can be troubling is they are already hitting up to the cap and they haven't won anything yet. They have gotten it together since changing coaches.

Yeah but toews is on the decline , sure he picked up his game this year , but ever since he got paid 3 years ago this is his first year he has actually come to play.

IMO I appreciate the loyalty thing but holding onto aging high paid players that are affecting the teams ability to get younger and competitive again doesn't work for most fans and the teams bottom line.

If Chicago had a great shot at Matthews who is 20 years old or keeping toews who is 31 years old the smart move is Matthews. Sure some people will be upset but if this team becomes a competitor again and starts winning all is forgiven.
- Taylorst1[/quo


We do not have a great shot!!!!!!
All the players you want to trade salary doesn’t match there value. And they all have no movement clauses. We can’t move them unless they want to go.
And Matthews would have to sign the offer sheet and we aren’t the sameness team thru 2010/2013 maybe till 2015 players wanted to join

Yes they did 2010 and 2015 . 2013 team they went out and grabbed handzus.

2010 and 2015 Chicago was able to roll 4 solid solid consistent lines, 2013 was different they started out with what 26 games without a loss in a 48 game season .

But if you look at teams that are true they roll 4 solid lines and are strong down the middle.


Kane needs top 6 quality players. This playing with kampf and anisomov is a joke those guys either too slow or just not talented to play with him and be affective for him or themselves. Strome has the talent just needs time.
- Taylorst1

Bolland won like 30% of his draws. Sharp / Kopecky centered the second line. Zeus won draws but was not good.

AA is a good player. Not great but is a solid pro and has nice hands in tight. Kamf is like Kruger but bigger and faster so upgrade there.

Kane was going to win the MVP with whatever was left of Verbeautys decaying corpse and Rad Brichards dead legs and made Shaw look like a competent center. The dude will score with anyone.

They need for sure elite players offer sheeting one whose young and proven for 4 drafts that may or may not work out is a no brainier.

You need 2 superstar lines, one competent line and three guys that hopefully arent horrid. The talent pool is so diluted replacement level players are typically not even that across the board.

No their not but Remeber where dealing with El cheapo Stan, yes Richards did work out but wasn't he relegated to the third line? More So Chicago had a plethora of talented supporting players all of whom contributed. 2015 was Tevo rookie year .

Right now the make up depth is horrible.

Toews isn't a number 1 center anymore maybe 2 or 3 , strome is young and developing, kampf is questionable.
- Taylorst1

Just so we are on the same page, how do you define #1C?

Toews is 100% first line center on any team not the Penguins, Toronto, Tampa, Oilers maybe Dallas, maybe the Jets, maybe the Kings, prolly Boston. Thats about it.

His ability to do everything in all situation really good makes him better than the kids scoring more.

The dudes a gamer and not done yet.

Crow's winter classic mask is cooler than hell!
- I Am The Breadman

Agreed, I would bid on that

Honestly, now that they have Strome, I feel like they need wing help a lot more. Toews is still a 1C. Even if his offense is only average for 1C, the rest of his game makes up for it. Strome is probably the 2C for the foreseeable future. Kind of where they wanted to slide Schmaltz but he couldn't win a draw. They just need to figure out what to do with AA and maybe they can get a legit 3C.

The Top 6 needs a LW and they need D.
- breadbag

I see it differently , strome for the near future is a 3 c maybe 2c ,

But toews and Kane dont well together long term.

Kane and toews play a different style Kane needs a center who has that type of skill to play with good vision solid solid passer .
I just think you need a top 1 c and top 6 lw to play with Kane, sikura strome and d cat are ok but toews needs a guy like stone on his right wing solidm2 way guy more down low style.

Just so we are on the same page, how do you define #1C?
- Chunk

Toews to me use to be a 1c but he isn't that type of player anymore he plays a different style then Kane.

Kane needs some one like a Elias Patterson, or a Nugent Hopkins, , Duchene, Matthews that to me is what Chicago needs you can call it 1c or 2c but toews won't be here forever and his play with the exception if this year has dropped. Just saying strome is our future hopefully but after that who does this team then have ?

If Stan brings in panarin who then centers him and kane ? And who plays toews right wing ? Sikura , strome and d cat im fine with but their are holes to fill .

IMO and it's been reported anisomov won't be here , he would have to traded to gain cap space and is probably traded in some package deal. That's why Chicago needs a top 6c

Toews to me use to be a 1c but he isn't that type of player anymore he plays a different style then Kane.

Kane needs some one like a Elias Patterson, or a Nugent Hopkins, , Duchene, Matthews that to me is what Chicago needs you can call it 1c or 2c but toews won't be here forever and his play with the exception if this year has dropped. Just saying strome is our future hopefully but after that who does this team then have ?

If Stan brings in panarin who then centers him and kane ? And who plays toews right wing ? Sikura , strome and d cat im fine with but their are holes to fill .

IMO and it's been reported anisomov won't be here , he would have to traded to gain cap space and is probably traded in some package deal. That's why Chicago needs a top 6c
- Taylorst1

Stome would be as good or better than AA between Kane and Panarin.

Toews is 100% first line center on any team not the Penguins, Toronto, Tampa, Oilers maybe Dallas, maybe the Jets, maybe the Kings, prolly Boston. Thats about it.

His ability to do everything in all situation really good makes him better than the kids scoring more.

The dudes a gamer and not done yet.
- fattybeef

Are you serious! Toews skill level is a fraction of what is was 5 years ago . I would rate him Toews around 40th In NHL for centers.

Are you serious! Toews skill level is a fraction of what is was 5 years ago . I would rate him Toews around 40th In NHL for centers.
- spanky

It's funny how talented everyone was when 50% of the team wasn't hot garbage.

Stome would be as good or better than AA between Kane and Panarin.
- breadbag

As long as we're daydreaming of signing Panarin - keep Anisimov as their center for another couple years until our #1 draft pick in 2020 joins the team. Keep Strome and DCat together too.

2020/21 top-9:
Saad-Toews-Hughes/Kakko
Panarin-Lafreniere-Kane
DCat-Strome-Sikura

Are you serious! Toews skill level is a fraction of what is was 5 years ago . I would rate him Toews around 40th In NHL for centers.
- spanky

Remove Toews salary and people would take him over about most people in the league now. The only reason people hate on him is because his play his declined (while the talent on the team has too mind you) while his contract was at its highest cap hit.

Is it really the fact that Toews has declined THAT much over the past few years or is it the fact that the league is full of younger and faster players? Just sayin...

Hey savvy, I know of a guy who stopped by his ex-wife's place to drop off child support money. And son of a female dog, 9 months later he had more childs support to pay
- 6628

Ha ha ha, see what I mean?
Truth.
Although 66, I'd say that's more revenge sex than anything!

No marquis player will in their right mind come to Chicago right now unless they are traded due to not having an NTC/NMC. This team is at minimum two more full seasons away from sorting out who the rookie keepers are, and probably need another year of burn in to be certain.

Marquis players move to win, or for big money. The Hawks have neither to offer.

Panarin coming back would be so stupid. Carry three seven figure contracts?? With that thinking we don't need legal weed - seems to be enough to go around already.

There is ZERO chance of Matthews coming here. I'd absolutely LOVE it and would even be willing to consider giving up the four first round picks to make it happen but there is about as much chance of us trading Seabrook to a team not having to eat ANY salary, take a bad contract back, AND get a draft pick/prospect back in return.

Someone trying to sign Matthews or any other RFA to an Offer sheet only makes sense if they are a team that is stocked with young talent and has plenty of cap room left to make it work. That's why a lot of people think AZ would make A LOT of sense to sign him to a ridiculous contract offer sheet this offseason. Local kid that would provide a HUGE boost the ticket sales and product of the team to pair with Clayton Keller. They have A LOT of their young guys locked up to good deals already. They just need to add the bonafide STAR to their team and they could turn it around. Not saying it WILL happen but its definitely more possible than us signing him.

IMO Strome is your number 3 guy maybe 2 but he is still developing.


Chicago needs to have 4 legitimate centers all of which great on face offs nd all play good 2 way hockey with 2 being top 6 legitimate talent.
- Taylorst1

Call me crazy, and I'm sure you will, but I think we're on our way to having 3 out of the 4 needed to be strong up the middle with Toews, Strome, and Kampf. If one of Barratt, Wise, Kurashev, etc. can step up to be that 3rd Center you're looking at a strong group up the middle IMO.

Add in possibily Panarin and a Top 3-5 draft pick winger (or maybe even a Center) to go along with the Defensive prospects this team has and you could have something going for the future.

Just my two cents though

Stome would be as good or better than AA between Kane and Panarin.
- breadbag

That may be a bandaid on part of the problem , but toews , saad and d cat don't seem to have that chemistry probably because of each players style . That then puts this team back to square 1 strome IMO is better suited as your 3c to allow him and d cat , sikura to develop and gain chemistry.


Saad might be the odd man out as well he hasn't been consistent, he has tapered off again.

No marquis player will in their right mind come to Chicago right now unless they are traded due to not having an NTC/NMC. This team is at minimum two more full seasons away from sorting out who the rookie keepers are, and probably need another year of burn in to be certain.

Marquis players move to win, or for big money. The Hawks have neither to offer.

Panarin coming back would be so stupid. Carry three seven figure contracts?? With that thinking we don't need legal weed - seems to be enough to go around already.
- Return of the Roar

**eight figure contracts

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No marquis player will in their right mind come to Chicago right now unless they are traded due to not having an NTC/NMC. This team is at minimum two more full seasons away from sorting out who the rookie keepers are, and probably need another year of burn in to be certain.

Marquis players move to win, or for big money. The Hawks have neither to offer.

Panarin coming back would be so stupid. Carry three seven figure contracts?? With that thinking we don't need legal weed - seems to be enough to go around already.
- Return of the Roar

I see your point. If Stan gets fired and we get a real GM in things could easily turn around sooner.

Right now Keith , Seabrook and toews all have regressed and eat up a substantial amount of money.

The future young promising defenseman are a bright spot, it's really then the forwards that you could really excel the rebuild quicker with top 6 young proven players .