Doesn't mean he sucks. I know first hand that there's a ton of politics that goes into decisions made at those tournaments.

I liked watching the game last night. I was entertained and that's all I have a right to demand. When they work like that every game it's watchable.
- 6628

Oh I know. I'm a big fan of his game and think he'll be in Chicago sooner rather than later. I just wanted to see him get the chance to play against the high competition to get a feel for where his game is at. Easy to be a big fish in a small pond in the Juniors but when its a World Tournament your facing the best every country has to offer and you can see how guys do against better competition at this stage of their development

Doesn't mean he sucks. I know first hand that there's a ton of politics that goes into decisions made at those tournaments.

I liked watching the game last night. I was entertained and that's all I have a right to demand. When they work like that every game it's watchable.
- 6628

This. When they come to play at least 50 minutes they are fun to watch, especially if they play physical in the bottom 6. And IMO they have the last couple games.

Didn't know they started making cuts to WJC squads. Gives me something to look at but would add I'm damn happy Beaudin is a Hawk WJC or not. No doubt a new era Dman who can skate, head up and can move the puck.

Oh I know. I'm a big fan of his game and think he'll be in Chicago sooner rather than later. I just wanted to see him get the chance to play against the high competition to get a feel for where his game is at. Easy to be a big fish in a small pond in the Juniors but when its a World Tournament your facing the best every country has to offer and you can see how guys do against better competition at this stage of their development
- Savetheembers33

Agree. Would have been fun to watch Beaudin in the best tournament that's not the NHL playoffs in the world......... Canada has been known to make some funky roster decisions but man they still have the best hockey players on earth up there. Every yr deserving players are left off if only due to a numbers game let alone all other human emotion that comes into putting together a roster.

you know or hear this how from watching on TV?

nobody seems to talk about it because you are wrong...but we have debated this numerous times...no more..
- bogiedoc

Look someone else - not me - get it - not me - posted that the Hawks have cut down on odd-man breaks which were epidemic under Ulf’s System. However, that person also posted that opposing teams where scoring at a high rate on the odd-man breaks that were occurring. Do you get this?

If there is a breakaway I know its a goal. That is not a good thing. However, it is not just about the stats, it is about how easily the shooters are scoring. There is always loads of net. So the history has been if the player breaking in is a non-scorer - goal; scorer - goal.

You also miss that I say when Crawford can square up and play on plane he stops a lot of shots, a lot. So I am not just attacking Crawford for the sake of it. However, there is a flaw in his game. Last night he seemed to have no chance on the breakaway and no chance on the OT goal. You want to ignore this I don’t care - I’m not going to ignore it. Why on the OT goal is the whole net open to shoot at? This exact type of goal just happened in a recent game, when again the whole net was open to shoot at. These shooters are not making perfect shots they are shooting into wide open areas of the net.

Post game Toews said "we gave ourselves a chance to win by a solid team effort."

When Toeews plays this way then he remains a top center, albeit not the old version but still someone you can win with. We have to remember, too, that Toews never was a top ten in league scorer. Without Hossa no wing on his line is producing a lot of points.

I do believe that not only Saad, but Kahun could compile higher point totals. But if they play with Toews then just know that it is a big scoring Kane line that leads us out of the wilderness to realistic offensive production. Get Kane better linemattes first,and leave Toews as is. He is now Johny B good enough
- jhawk59

To my eye Kahun has been a lot more assertive the last 5 games. He seems to have a Schmaltz like problem where he too often defers to a core player instead of shooting in the danger areas......... He's been more dangerous to my eye.

This. When they come to play at least 50 minutes they are fun to watch, especially if they play physical in the bottom 6. And IMO they have the last couple games.

Didn't know they started making cuts to WJC squads. Gives me something to look at but would add I'm damn happy Beaudin is a Hawk WJC or not. No doubt a new era Dman who can skate, head up and can move the puck.
- Mr Ricochet

They invited 12 defenceman to camp including some guys who played on last year's gold medal team. Some cuts had to be made so Beaudin was probably a long shot to make the team. Mitchell still there I think.

at the time dano was still considered a solid prospect...where he is now (basically waiver fodder) 3 years later is unimportant to argument that the hawks payed alot to get ladd..a UFA
- bogiedoc

Why possibly would Dano’s drop in status after the trade be unimportant in analysing the trade? The Hawks were right about Dano and including him in the trade. Also the Hawks obviously have not seen parting with him as a mistake as they made no waiver claim. Sorry you are just wrong here.

I say this although I still do not like the trade for Ladd.

It is a surprise if we can get a first round choice, but possible if we move either Crawford or Keith. They would have to be playing well around the trade deadline.

Here is an assignment for Bowman;

To get another GM dreaming how a veteran playoff addition helps take his team one step farther. Most likely only a mid first round is the earliest pick imaginable. I would expect that Crawford + would probably be the price for that coveted selection. I mean in retrospect other goaltenders will be available/J Howard, maybe Quick?

What fans might realistically hope occurs, oe that Gus racks up the goals and strong offensive effort. Gus becomes a legitimate depth dman to package with MAYBE Crawford

It is too early for Keith to depart. Irregardless how many prospects on defense step up , a team needs at least one veteran as an anchor

Btw: Seabrook has a no trade clause. Does this prevent being offered compliance buyout? Et Seabrook play a reduced role next season than I bet he takes the compliance.
- jhawk59

Hawks traded a 1ST + Dano for Ladd, a 1ST for Vermette, and 2 2ND's for Kimo. I know our beloved Stan was doing the trading and if another GM was in his position, he might have negotiated better. And the above players were all rentals. I would think with Cro and Keith having some term they would be more valuable. Maybe not.

It all comes down to how desperate another GM is to add someone like Cro or Keith (if they waive) to take them to the promised land.

I was just dreaming earlier that the team that trades for them eventually misses the playoffs and that 1ST we receive turns into a lottery pick.

They invited 12 defenceman to camp including some guys who played on last year's gold medal team. Some cuts had to be made so Beaudin was probably a long shot to make the team. Mitchell still there I think.
- RickJ

You see any of the WJAC, no MJ players just Jr A players, that's going on right now up in Bonnyville? US is almost completely USHL kids. Two projected 1st rounders in the tournament, Podkolzin projected top 5 from RUS and Newhook from Canada West. Wonderful high paced hockey.

Check Hockey TV as they offer a free game a few times during the tournament if interested.

But yea man, not making the Canada WJC roster is nothing to be ashamed off. But also as you know these kids in Canada grow up dreaming of playing in the WJC not the NHL. Tough for an elite kid to get cut.

You see any of the WJAC, no MJ players just Jr A players, that's going on right now up in Bonnyville? US is almost completely USHL kids. Two projected 1st rounders in the tournament, Podkolzin projected top 5 from RUS and Newhook from Canada West. Wonderful high paced hockey.

Check Hockey TV as they offer a free game a few times during the tournament if interested.

But yea man, not making the Canada WJC roster is nothing to be ashamed off. But also as you know these kids in Canada grow up dreaming of playing in the WJC not the NHL. Tough for an elite kid to get cut.
- Mr Ricochet

The NHL network carried the games on TV in recent years. I assume they will be on again this time.

The NHL network carried the games on TV in recent years. I assume they will be on again this time.
- boilermaker100

The WJAC?

Quick or Crow to Philly seems like a deal that makes A LOT of sense to go down. Crow more so than Quick since he's only got one year left on his deal and they have Carter Hart waiting in the wings to take the keys.

If the Hawks could get some combo of Philly's 1st or 2nd and Frost or Sanheim for Crow I would be willing make something happen.

As much as I love Crow, and appreciate what he's done for us I don't see him being apart of this teams next push to win a Cup (unless they trade him and then sign him back on a cheaper deal when his contract is up). Give Forsberg and Delia the rest of this year and possible next (could sign Nalimov or a cheap young goalie to see if he can blossom here) to see what they can do
- Savetheembers33

No team is getting a first round pick for a goalie over 30 years old in the salary cap era. It hasn't happened yet and never will. The last two goalies to get a first rounder for them are Andersen to Toronto and Schneider to the devils. Both were around 26 or 27 years old.

Why possibly would Dano’s drop in status after the trade be unimportant in analysing the trade? The Hawks were right about Dano and including him in the trade. Also the Hawks obviously have not seen parting with him as a mistake as they made no waiver claim. Sorry you are just wrong here.

I say this although I still do not like the trade for Ladd.
- Z3Hawk

oh sow now the hawks are to omniscient with their players with where they will be in 3 years...when the trade was made...surprise surprise his future was not known... they made an assessment...so again where he is today is a complete non-sequitor the trade at that time...

just like what you post in the future will be irrelevant to what you post now...is this point really that hard to understand...

if dano had become a stud...you would be female doging about what a poor talent evaluator stanbow is...

you are the type of guy who wants each option at his disposal so he criticize no matter which it goes...all served with whipcream and cherry on top..

Hawks traded a 1ST + Dano for Ladd, a 1ST for Vermette, and 2 2ND's for Kimo. I know our beloved Stan was doing the trading and if another GM was in his position, he might have negotiated better. And the above players were all rentals. I would think with Cro and Keith having some term they would be more valuable. Maybe not.

It all comes down to how desperate another GM is to add someone like Cro or Keith (if they waive) to take them to the promised land.

I was just dreaming earlier that the team that trades for them eventually misses the playoffs and that 1ST we receive turns into a lottery pick.
- boilermaker100

Keith having term likely hurts his value because of his age and level of play. A prospect and a 2nd round pick would probably be the best they could get for Keith. Even if he agrees to waive which I doubt he would.

No team is getting a first round pick for a goalie over 30 years old in the salary cap era. It hasn't happened yet and never will. The last two goalies to get a first rounder for them are Andersen to Toronto and Schneider to the devils. Both were around 26 or 27 years old.
- GPHawksfan

not so sure...a team in strong contention in need of top goalie would pay up...it would have to be the right circumstances...

as just a hockey trade probably not but then again its possible in a package deal..

watch the TDL with quick more so than craw...

The WJAC?
- Mr Ricochet

https://www.nhl.com/info/nhl-network-wjc-schedule

Keith having term likely hurts his value because of his age and level of play. A prospect and a 2nd round pick would probably be the best they could get for Keith. Even if he agrees to waive which I doubt he would.
- GPHawksfan

It really depends who the trade partner is. For a cash strapped contender with a lot of cap space like the Avs, this may actually look like a good deal:

Keith Cap hit $5,538,462

Keith salary:

2019/20 $3,500,000

2020/21 $2,650,000

2021/22 $2,100,000

2022/23 $1,500,000

How many assists?

Everyone is aware that an assist means that a goal was scored, right? I just want to make sure everyone is actually on the same page.

I mean I can't really imagine going to a baseball board where the only time a run is scored, is off of a home run...
- steve-hist-sdc

Keith passes well - stick to passing - no shooting. The problem is that on those rare occasions when his shot isn't blocked or misses the net - it is so slow and weak that the goalie makes the save and doesn't give up a rebound. Keith's shot is essentially a turnover and has been for the past couple years. It is especially egregious in OT when puck possession is even more important than 5v5.

Keith having term likely hurts his value because of his age and level of play. A prospect and a 2nd round pick would probably be the best they could get for Keith. Even if he agrees to waive which I doubt he would.
- GPHawksfan

With the core guys you'd like to get a draft pick as high as possible. But that means trading with a horsepoop team. I can't imagine those guys would waive to go to a losing team, they might as well stay here and not turn their world upside down moving to another city.

You see any of the WJAC, no MJ players just Jr A players, that's going on right now up in Bonnyville? US is almost completely USHL kids. Two projected 1st rounders in the tournament, Podkolzin projected top 5 from RUS and Newhook from Canada West. Wonderful high paced hockey.

Check Hockey TV as they offer a free game a few times during the tournament if interested.

But yea man, not making the Canada WJC roster is nothing to be ashamed off. But also as you know these kids in Canada grow up dreaming of playing in the WJC not the NHL. Tough for an elite kid to get cut.
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks for the viewing tip.

Beading was in tough because they Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson were locks to make the team. Kudos to Mitchell tho - he is going to run their power play.

I see Eklund is saying Keith is "available" ... that saddens me knowing Ek's track record.

I see Eklund is saying Keith is "available" ... that saddens me knowing Ek's track record.
- EbonyRaptor

Available isn't the same as guaranteed trade. He could be shopped, or a diversion? I don't know about some of the teams he mentions though.

These players WILL waive. The hawks set them up for life, placing the sustainability of this franchise at risk. Bowman is an idiot for handing out ntcs to every player and then some, but if moving said players is good for the Hawks those players should respect the direction and move on. Sure they can take advantage of Bowman’s idiocy but should also respect his loyalty as well. Assuming any of the core is offered for in the trade market I bet anything the will accept, move on and let the rebuild begin. A move to a contending team probably would rejuvenate the players as well

not so sure...a team in strong contention in need of top goalie would pay up...it would have to be the right circumstances...

as just a hockey trade probably not but then again its possible in a package deal..

watch the TDL with quick more so than craw...
- bogiedoc

A team in strong contention probably has a good goalie already, that's part of the reason they are in contention. I think you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment because most of these players won't be traded and the ones that might aren't going to get the crazy returns most on here think. I don't get most ofd the posters on here that are pissed off at the over priced salaries that were paid for past accomplishments, but now expect big returns on those same players because of their past accomplishments not their level of play or age and salary combined right now.

46 assists in 116 games. (Appreciate the answer ... I was actually asking rhetorically at the time .. )

... so basically at a pace to get 32 assists over 82 games. Based upon the way the team has produced, how exactly is that part bad?

Although for the record, I tend to agree with Kwolf's assessment above. Seriously, why wouldn't most (if not all) waive?