This guy....


https://www.draftsite.com...ayer/cole-caufield/30045/
- DarthKane

Listed as 5-6" 150. Has to grow, eh. Makes Keith look big

About Barkov: yet to record a big scoring season. Always misses lots of time with injuries. Great talent, sure. Beware what you wish for.

All you need to look back at is what Tampa gave up to acquire Ryan McDonagh even tho they knew the Rangers intended to rebuild; what Pittsburgh gave up for Phil Kessel. Plenty of other trades like when Minny wanted Martin Handel and San Jose went after Evandet Kane when the internet boards decided he was toxic and had no trade value.
- RickJ

I just don’t believe Keith of today has the value of a Ryan McDoungah or a Phil Kessel of several seasons ago. Think you’re over valuing Keith!

Keith for Domi and conditional 2nd (turns into a 1st if they make playoffs)



- EnzoD

I see what you did there!

I just don’t believe Keith of today has the value of a Ryan McDoungah or a Phil Kessel of several seasons ago. Think you’re over valuing Keith!
- walleyeb1

This much I believe Keith could do: step up and be really good in a series or entire playoffs. But not as useful.as old Keith. No pp but he never belonged there anyway.

I just don’t believe Keith of today has the value of a Ryan McDoungah or a Phil Kessel of several seasons ago. Think you’re over valuing Keith!
- walleyeb1

He does, however, have the value of a Timmonen for a team in a similar situation as Chicago was in 2015 (actually you could argue it is far more) -- I imagine it is all about timing.

Wow, the Flyers are terrible.

All you need to look back at is what Tampa gave up to acquire Ryan McDonagh even tho they knew the Rangers intended to rebuild; what Pittsburgh gave up for Phil Kessel. Plenty of other trades like when Minny wanted Martin Handel and San Jose went after Evandet Kane when the internet boards decided he was toxic and had no trade value.
- RickJ

I know we're talking about StanBow here but he gave up two 2nd's IIRC for Timonnen. I'm not great at evaluating returns but I gotta think Keith would bring a 1st from a contender, a late 1st, plus. No?......... I think in today's hair on fire NHL Dmen are coveted more than ever. I mean a Larsson nets a Hall and Jack Johnson who hasn't been good for awhile, if ever really, gets paid by PITT.

Keith has shown the last few games he has something in the tank. Wonder if there's a correlation there? ......... Remember TOR's D problems in last yrs playoffs? My guess is Bobcock would love Keith. Gotta wonder if Muzzin, or anyone not Doughty, is available from LA ? Bet STL moves Bouwmeister. Even though he's not the old Bow he's a vet who could eat minutes and provide solid depth for the slog that is the playoffs. ...... Gonna be interesting to see if STL sells and if so, what? Will they move Pietroangelo for a haul? Think he's on IR now, though.

Wow, the Flyers are terrible.
- DarthKane

Yeah, that first period reminded me of some recent Hawks games.

Listed as 5-6" 150. Has to grow, eh. Makes Keith look big

About Barkov: yet to record a big scoring season. Always misses lots of time with injuries. Great talent, sure. Beware what you wish for.
- jhawk59

Was watching the Panthers, listening to the opponents PBP cuz that old Islander Dman who does color for FLA is the worst homer ever, and it was mentioned that if Barkov played for points he'd easily be a point a game guy. I agree.......... Dude plays a great 2 way game.

I do agree with you to a point, with his talent it would seem he'd score more. Think he's getting it though as he put up 256 shots last yr and was just shy of a point per game and same this yr.... Just 23 yrs old with 5 yrs in the bigs.

I just don’t believe Keith of today has the value of a Ryan McDoungah or a Phil Kessel of several seasons ago. Think you’re over valuing Keith!
- walleyeb1

Respectfully - I assume you don't sell or establish product pricing for a living.

In mid December, a sharp GM asks for the moon and stars for a player like Keith. He's a proven winner, a helluva competitor and somebody that can still log 25 minutes per night, every night. What the owner of the asset does not do is say "oh well, he isn't what he used to be and he doesn't really compare with Ryan McDonagh, so just make me an offer".

The absolutely correct approach is to hold out as long as it takes to get the maximum return. Even idiot Bowman knows that Dmen in this league are dropping like flies right now - Dumba just got hurt today, probably out for 4-6 weeks. Klefbom is out 2 months in Edmonton so they have to play Nurse 30+ minutes now. What happens if the Leafs or Vegas or Boston lose one for an extended period?

Sell high on Keith or don't sell. They have nobody that can replace him right now.


Also - I don't believe the Hawks are actively shopping Keith. If he wants out, he will request quietly and the club will do their best to accomodate him if the return is sufficient for a player of his caliber and reputation around the league.

You see any of the WJAC, no MJ players just Jr A players, that's going on right now up in Bonnyville? US is almost completely USHL kids. Two projected 1st rounders in the tournament, Podkolzin projected top 5 from RUS and Newhook from Canada West. Wonderful high paced hockey.

Check Hockey TV as they offer a free game a few times during the tournament if interested.

But yea man, not making the Canada WJC roster is nothing to be ashamed off. But also as you know these kids in Canada grow up dreaming of playing in the WJC not the NHL. Tough for an elite kid to get cut.
- Mr Ricochet

“BUT ALSO AS YOU KNOW THESE KIDS IN CANADA GROW UP DREAMING OF PLAYING IN THE WJC NOT THE NHL.”

I had to re-read this a number of times to confirm what it says. Is this sarcasm or do you really believe this? If sarcasm - why sarcasm? However, if you really believe this you’d be 100% wrong. Actually more than 100% wrong - see sarcasm.

oh sow now the hawks are to omniscient with their players with where they will be in 3 years...when the trade was made...surprise surprise his future was not known... they made an assessment...so again where he is today is a complete non-sequitor the trade at that time...

just like what you post in the future will be irrelevant to what you post now...is this point really that hard to understand...

if dano had become a stud...you would be female doging about what a poor talent evaluator stanbow is...

you are the type of guy who wants each option at his disposal so he criticize no matter which it goes...all served with whipcream and cherry on top..
- bogiedoc

Every single trade that is made is analyzed. How is this done? By looking at the overall performance of the traded players subsequent to the trade. Not just about goals, points. For example, if someone becomes the team’s Captain, as Ladd did with the Jets, this adds value.

Maybe the most historically famous Hawks trade, if not NHL trade, is the best example of this. When Phil Esposito was traded to Boston few fans believed he would become a scorer for the ages and a huge leader, for both Boston and Team Canada. However, Boston saw something in Esposito that others didn’t and the Hawks did not know what they had and because of this the Briuns easily won the trade. I have read that one person who instantly knew the trade was a huge mistake was Bobby Hull. Phil had centered for him.

You can’t ignore subsequent performance. Seems Columbus had suspicions about Dano when they included him in the Saad/Panarin trade. Seems Hawks also had suspicions about Dano when they included him in the Ladd for a First and Dano trade. How is this controversial? “What if Dano became a stud?” you say. You don’t analyze trades with hypotheticals - you analyze them on the actual performance. However, I don’t think the Hawks include Dano if they thought he had a really good chance to become a stud.

When Draft Choices are involved, obviously you look at whether a good player is drafted. However, the analysis is still performance driven.

While no team can predict the future with 100% certainty, when it comes to trades, they certainly can attempt to analyze risk/reward. Same for drafting. Did the Hawks know with 100% certainty that Dano would struggle? Of course not as this is an impossibity. Did they suspect he would? Absolutely they did.

TOR might do that ya.

The Leafs are going to be in a real pickle next year with the cap. They better go for it this year.
- Justin Lowe

Justin you are the man with solid insight and valid points and comments.


Leafs fans clearly are in some denial about their cap as well as thinking if they want to make a trade for a player they will have to give something of value up.

I've said it All along , Toronto's window is this year and possibly next year. I agree you don't want to have these long term high salary NMC contracts , but Keith's contract and salary would actually help a team like Toronto or Winnipeg as examples of keeping their cap in line with a proven veteran defenseman who's skills are still good and could play for at least 2 to 3 more years solid hockey on a team with a significant amount of talent .

Justin you are the man with solid insight and valid points and comments.


Leafs fans clearly are in some denial about their cap as well as thinking if they want to make a trade for a player they will have to give something of value up.

I've said it All along , Toronto's window is this year and possibly next year. I agree you don't want to have these long term high salary NMC contracts , but Keith's contract and salary would actually help a team like Toronto or Winnipeg as examples of keeping their cap in line with a proven veteran defenseman who's skills are still good and could play for at least 2 to 3 more years solid hockey on a team with a significant amount of talent .
- Taylorst1

If anyone is in denial about anything it's you with your one sided value in your trade proposals.

If anyone is in denial about anything it's you with your one sided value in your trade proposals.
- GPHawksfan

All of this anger against fellow posters is diluting our main message.

We should focus completely on our anger against those complete incompetents Stan and McD, who have never done anything positive for this franchise.

Only then will our combined unified energies force a change in the team’s fortunes.

The NHL network carried the games on TV in recent years. I assume they will be on again this time.
- boilermaker100

No no, Boiler. I'm talking about the World Junior A Championship that's being played right now not the World Junior Championship that's played over Christmas.

Jrs can get really complicated but the WJAC is comprised of non-Major Junior players (they play in the WJC), players that are taking the NCAA route to the bigs. ... The USA WJAC team is made up of USHL players (you can see these kids in Geneva play the Steel for 10 bucks) that are not on the National Team Development Program (they will play in the WJC, guys like Kane, Trouba, Jones, Matthews, Eichel).

I'd supply links but I'm behind on the tournament and am right now watching Canada West vs the USA in the semis with the winner playing Russia today.

Wow, the Flyers are terrible.
- DarthKane

so Q may go from one bottom dweller to another and the two bottom dwellers are going to make a "huge" trade"

makes perfect sense...so who wants to waive his NMC to go from one loser to another to be with Q...

BTW flyers will need to pay some serious coin to get Q to go there since he is getting paid about 6 mildo per to do nothing

mark 3/21 on your calendar at the UC ...Q might return to a half empty UC

Unhappy being on a winning team? Haha.
- I Am The Breadman

send him back to the blows...

No no, Boiler. I'm talking about the World Junior A Championship that's being played right now not the World Junior Championship that's played over Christmas.

Jrs can get really complicated but the WJAC is comprised of non-Major Junior players (they play in the WJC), players that are taking the NCAA route to the bigs. ... The USA WJAC team is made up of USHL players (you can see these kids in Geneva play the Steel for 10 bucks) that are not on the National Team Development Program (they will play in the WJC, guys like Kane, Trouba, Jones, Matthews, Eichel).

I'd supply links but I'm behind on the tournament and am right now watching Canada West vs the USA in the semis with the winner playing Russia today.
- Mr Ricochet

My mistake. Sorry.

Rockford surrendered 52 sog in 3-2 loss to the Texas team. Blackhawks have their own problems; so too does Rockford have their own issues. But Forsberg was in net and was a choice as a star in the game. Figure Rutta didn't help much.

The best dman prospects i believe are improving and they will probably get a cup of coffee pending in Chicago. Among the Icehogs problems are no legitimate offensive center (sorry L Johnson) and too many ECHL. Lots of youth on defense too. I guess that J Schroeder isn't providing enough veteran offensive help - something I thought Bowman wanted to fix insofar as making Rockford competitive
- jhawk59

have heard and read that the rck is infected by the same defensive problems as the hawks...couhging up over 35 per game..

i am sure rutta and manning when he goes will certainly help with that..

Ek has a new blog up. Q going to Philly.

the bottom seven teams in the league are separated by 4 points...

the race to the bottom might more entertaining then the race to the top...

If anyone is in denial about anything it's you with your one sided value in your trade proposals.
- GPHawksfan

Wow that's Rich coming from you and your pathetic advice and knowledge.

Last I checked none of us including yourself has ever coached ,played or ran a front office for any nhl team. Everything is all speculation and opinions, just because you may not like or agree with one's proposals doesn't mean
your some magical hockey God who knows better.

Just makes you look little , shallow and thin skinned as well as uniformed.

All of this anger against fellow posters is diluting our main message.

We should focus completely on our anger against those complete incompetents Stan and McD, who have never done anything positive for this franchise.

Only then will our combined unified energies force a change in the team’s fortunes.
- StLBravesFan

Well said . Thank you . We all have opinions and we all care about this team, doesn't mean I'm right and your wrong or vice versa.


The entire point of this board is to share ideas , thoughts , and frustrations along with praises and hearsay


People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

so Q may go from one bottom dweller to another and the two bottom dwellers are going to make a "huge" trade"

makes perfect sense...so who wants to waive his NMC to go from one loser to another to be with Q...

BTW flyers will need to pay some serious coin to get Q to go there since he is getting paid about 6 mildo per to do nothing

mark 3/21 on your calendar at the UC ...Q might return to a half empty UC
- bogiedoc

I wonder if coach Q would have if he had a choice chose Edmonton over Philly.

Edmonton I feel is in the best possible position to compete with elite talent.

Philly I think has more to offer than say a Seattle or a buffalo.