Yeah, the 50ish shots they gave up last night proved that. The Leafs never had any problems in the offensive zone, other than that damned goalie...
- TrashPanda

Obviously one game tells it all.

fair enough, but take Hedman off that team.. Which d-man scares you?
- PatC80

McDonagh is very good.

If you take away Reilly, what would the Leafs have?

Gardiner?

Who Tampa isnt?
I think they are on par with the leaf toughness. Imo
I suppose they could use more grit.
Skilled grit, but who couldn't
- Fakepartofme

I think Tampa is way more gritty and heavier JMO

I like z as a good number 5 guy.. his contract and our lack of depth makes him slight unpalatable.. but if the kept him and liligren could push him down in 2-3 years it’d be ideal.. his cap hit is high for a #5 guy but he is playing as our 3-4
- Puck-us-all

Number 5 sure.
But hes played and paid too much imo

I respectully disagree, I think they are much better.

Add to that Vasilevsky, who might be the best goaltender in the world right now.... They are scary good.

And that's no knock on the Leafs who may very well be the 2nd best team in the NHL.
- Scabeh

They have the best goalie in the league back, which helps a lot. Last night's game, we were the better team.. We just made more mistakes and repeatedly ran into a brick wall.

Stamkos plays pretty gritty for an elite sniper, I think anyways ..
- Puck-us-all

So is Kucherov....

Obviously one game tells it all.
- Scabeh

You just said vasi is one of the best goalies in the world right now.. he’s played one game lol

Number 5 sure.
But hes played and paid too much imo
- Fakepartofme

Agreed

So is Kucherov....
- Garnie

I don’t notice it as much with him.. but I also only see like maybe six games a year.. I believe it

McDonagh is very good.

If you take away Reilly, what would the Leafs have?

Gardiner?
- Scabeh

IMO, McDonagh and Gardiner are similar players

Tampa's PK was pretty good last night too....almost seemed like they had 5 guys on the ice.

Stralman's injured too. Hence Cernak (who is their "Dermott" fyi).

IMO, McDonagh and Gardiner are similar players
- PatC80

Really? I think they slot into the same spot forsure but I don’t think the play similarly at all

fair enough, but take Hedman off that team.. Which d-man scares you?
- PatC80

Im not easily scared, so not a fair assessment lol


Except spiders.....FACK THOSE CREEPY LITTLE FACKERS!!!



But, yes..Im not saying their D is amazing, but overall they're pretty good imo.
A little better than the leafs. But not by leaps and bounds.

So if the puck is being banged around in the crease you're allowed to just push the opposing player into the net and knock it off?

Good rule.

Ref's suck, only time we seem to get a call is a stick in the face or a puck fired over the glass.

1 call last night on Stammer for a cross check...other then that the rest of the night was junk. JMO

Really? I think they slot into the same spot forsure but I don’t think the play similarly at all
- Puck-us-all

They are both better offensively, then defensively. The both are not very physical. Gardiner's mistakes just seem to be more egregious.

Stralman's injured too. Hence Cernak (who is their "Dermott" fyi).
- AdamFrench

6'4" 225

Seems to skate well too.

6'4" 225

Seems to skate well too.
- Garnie

Like a deer, by chance?

They are both better offensively, then defensively. The both are not very physical. Gardiner's mistakes just seem to be more egregious.
- PatC80

Great when he has the puck and keeps his feet moving.

Terrible in our end without the puck, seems to get watching the puck and is slow getting back to his position.

JMO

They are both better offensively, then defensively. The both are not very physical. Gardiner's mistakes just seem to be more egregious.
- PatC80

I always thought McDonough was more defensive than offensive.. but honestly I haven’t watched him much, you may be right

Like a deer, by chance?
- lumlums

Deer don't play hockey silly.

Im not easily scared, so not a fair assessment lol


Except spiders.....FACK THOSE CREEPY LITTLE FACKERS!!!



But, yes..Im not saying their D is amazing, but overall they're pretty good imo.
A little better than the leafs. But not by leaps and bounds.
- Fakepartofme

Both teams are stacked with talent, I just think TB plays a meaner/tougher game when they need to.

6'4" 225

Seems to skate well too.
- Garnie

*Was on the hype train since 2012*

Ultra HD cam from outer space for the Kucherov goal....give me a (frank)ing break...time for Andersen to start wearing black catcher and blocker.

*Was on the hype train since 2012*
- AdamFrench

No doubt, maybe you should start sending your hype train to Dubas

Or I can get the message to Keefe if needed...I have an insider